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View Poll Results: Who was responsible for 9/11
Al Qaeda acting alone
167 34.65%
Al Qaeda with the help of Iran
30 6.22%
Saudi Arabia
20 4.15%
Israel
34 7.05%
The USA
128 26.56%
The Gingerbread man
70 14.52%
Other
33 6.85%

02-18-2014 , 12:44 AM
Who was responsible for 9/11?




Al Qaeda Alone



bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-I-did-it.html

Israel?




A de facto Zionist Jew world order already exists: Jewish control of government, banking, education and media is near total.

If - before the next 9/11 - you oppose it and a conscious critical mass of humanity is formed, it can be overthrown. If not, picture a Zionist future for your children... a boot stamping on a human face - forever.

Picture also a world without pathocratic Zionism, and the misanthropic, anti-Human, supremacist, parasitic, criminal Jewish cult of hate that bore it - a cult into which unfortunate children are from birth indoctrinated through terror.



Al Qaeda with the help of Iran?



Al Qaeda with the help of Saudi Arabia?



As for Saudi Arabia, America’s purported friend, you would have thought from the reaction of the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, that the commission had found nothing dubious in his country’s role. “The clear statements by this independent, bipartisan commission,” he declared, “have debunked the myths that have cast fear and doubt over Saudi Arabia.” Yet no finding in the report categorically exonerated Saudi Arabia.

http://readersupportednews.org/off-s...tack-us-on-911

The United States
?





Another prominent belief is that the Pentagon was hit by a missile launched by elements from inside the U.S. government or that a commercial airliner was allowed to do so via an effective standdown of the American military. Possible motives claimed by conspiracy theorists for such actions include justifying the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as well as geostrategic interests in the Mideast, such as pipeline plans launched in the early 1990s by Unocal and other oil companies.

The Gingerbread Man?



Other?
02-18-2014 , 01:31 AM
Bush knocked down the towers
02-18-2014 , 01:34 AM
Obama
02-18-2014 , 01:46 AM
Thanks, Obama
02-18-2014 , 05:12 AM
A doctor from Nigeria
02-18-2014 , 05:17 AM
Other

Spoiler:
thekid345
02-18-2014 , 08:04 AM
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02-18-2014 , 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thekid345
Who was responsible for 9/11?

Last edited by MidyMat; 02-18-2014 at 09:07 AM. Reason: gingerbread man obv
02-18-2014 , 10:46 AM
I think there should be a "foreknowledge of the attack" as it is just as popular an opinion as many of the choices in the poll.
02-18-2014 , 10:52 AM
The USA and Al Qaeda.

Quote:
Treating America’s al Qaeda Addiction:

For a dozen years, Americans have suffered through endless debates about an amorphous al Qaeda and its current strength. One argument will consistently suggest al Qaeda is stronger, again on America’s doorstep waiting to pounce and presents a significant threat to U.S. National Security and the West. More recently, a counterargument has emerged that al Qaeda is no longer, the war on terrorism is over, and that Americans can return to a 1990’s security posture where we focus on process (i.e. civil liberty protection, accountability, and transparency) rather than the end state of preventing another 9/11 attack. These two arguments represent the outcome of a hollow debate that relies on a false assumption; that al Qaeda is a singular unified threat to the U.S. and operates in a manner consistent with its structure at the time of September 11, 2001. Thus, when television pundits vaguely say, “al Qaeda”, no one knows for sure what they are referring to; they are in effect saying nothing at all.

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-18-2014 at 10:56 AM. Reason: indirectly..
02-18-2014 , 10:57 AM
Agreed
02-18-2014 , 11:16 AM
Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick.
02-18-2014 , 11:36 AM




ZOMG, do the yellow pieces represent the twin towers?!?!?!?

We keep going deeper down the rabbit hole!!!

Last edited by MidyMat; 02-18-2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason: Where the hell is my chlorpromazine hydrochloride?
02-18-2014 , 11:46 AM
lol

but seriously, i forgot to add link to my quote

http://www.fpri.org/geopoliticus/201...unterterrorism

Quote:
Edward Snowden’s leaks – Snowden’s disclosures have called into question what counterterrorists view as crucial intelligence and surveillance tools and techniques. Signals intercepts and sources essential for understanding the myriad of extremist groups around the world must be justified. Most of these capabilities were built in response to al Qaeda, so now in the face of scrutiny, we must reaffirm there is an al Qaeda to justify their development and continued existence.

Politics – The American political climate stinks and its effect on national security is perverse. Neither party wants to be found weak on terrorism or downplaying al Qaeda as there is about a 100% chance al Qaeda or some entity connected to al Qaeda will kill an American in the future. Congressmen in general so poorly understand terrorism to begin with that the U.S. counterterrorism community has to keep the “One Big al Qaeda” going to explain national security threats to those that approve their budgets. For an example of this pointless dynamic, last week’s Senate Armed Services Committee discussion about al Qaeda. asks "Yes or No, is al Qaeda stronger?" to which the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency LTG Michael T. Flynn must answer.
02-18-2014 , 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zikzak
Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with the candlestick.
Anagram time!

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A Controversy Cats Clinked Leotard Columns!
OMG, I think cats might be behind the 911 attacks!
"Cats"? "Leo"? "columns"?
How could we have been so naive?
02-18-2014 , 12:42 PM
Here is a funny video I found on utube, with some of the footage that was aired on the news that day.

Note, the second guy who speaks in this clip says;

"it disappears, like a bad special effect" Oh what delicious irony.



02-18-2014 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaneG
Here is a funny video I found on utube, with some of the footage that was aired on the news that day.

Note, the second guy who speaks in this clip says;

"it disappears, like a bad special effect" Oh what delicious irony.


Shane,

I think the Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, but only because the USA/Saudi/Pakistan made some mistakes during the 80s in supplying the same folks who would later go on to form the Taliban/Al Qaeda. Take a look at this timeline I created a while ago, what are your thoughts?


IRT to the events that lead to 9/11,


Russia Invades Afghanistan to keep it communist (1980)--->US/Pakistan supports/trains the rebel Mujaheddin in Afghanistan including indirect support of Bin Laden---> Communist Afghanistan is not defeated but basically destroyed in a long war in what is referred to as Russia's Vietnam----> Afghanistan starts to fall apart in the late 80s early 90s--->by 1992 Afghanistan completely falls apart and its communist president is brutally tortured/executed by the same rebels the US/Pakistan supported---->a tribal pact is formed and from 92-96 political power is shared in Afghanistan, eventually major disagreements occur and a civil war ensues----> 1996 The Taliban come to power, largely made of those same Mujaheddin from the 1980s ----->2001, 9/11 occurs-----> Taliban are accused of harboring Osama Bin Laden in the aftermath of 9/11

In addition,

A college in Nebraska created extremely violent textbooks that were in turn sent to Afghanistan in the 1980s. The books were received by members of the Afgan Muhajedeen, aka future members of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.



American universities produced books for Afghan children that extolled the virtues of jihad and of killing communists. Readers browsing through book bazaars in Rawalpindi and Peshawar can, even today, sometimes find textbooks produced as part of the series underwritten by a USAID $50 million grant to the University of Nebraska in the 1980′s . These textbooks sought to counterbalance Marxism through creating enthusiasm in Islamic militancy. They exhorted Afghan children to “pluck out the eyes of the Soviet enemy and cut off his legs”. Years after the books were first printed they were approved by the Taliban for use in madrassas – a stamp of their ideological correctness and they are still widely available in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.


Also,

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...ed-to-911.html


Brzezinski(Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski) told Al Qaeda’s forefathers – the Mujahadin:

We know of their deep belief in god – that they’re confident that their struggle will succeed. That land over – there is yours – and you’ll go back to it some day, because your fight will prevail, and you’ll have your homes, your mosques, back again, because your cause is right, and god is on your side.


Finally,

Charlie Wilson (a USA rep during the Afgan Soviet War) was also very concerned that blowback would happen wrt the stingers the USA/Saudi/Pakistan provided to the Afgans during the Soviet Afgan war.

Some of these same "Afgan rebels" would be very influential in the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaeda during the 90s. Ironically, one can presently note that Al Qaeda linked rebels are active in multiple countries in the Middle east including Syria.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/charlie-did-it/

Wilson later told CBS he "lived in terror" that a civilian airliner would be shot down by a Stinger, but he did not have misgivings about having provided Stingers to defeat the Soviets.
02-18-2014 , 01:40 PM
oh look, dumb thread brings Shane G out of his rat hole. BOOO BOOOO
02-18-2014 , 06:09 PM

If you look carefully you can see the terrorist passports being thrown out of the window at the last second before the plane is vaporized.

But seriously, the passports being found intact, the put options on the airlines, the refusal to show any discernible video of the pentagon attack...something is up with 911. But it's such a complex event that it is unlikely it will ever be interpreted correctly.

There should be a "practically unknowable" option.

Could a passport survive that completely intact? I highly doubt it. Then again, we don't often crash planes into buildings so we don't exactly know what to expect. Were a bunch of non-terrorist passports also found or other remnants of things on board? Who the **** knows?

Would someone looking to focus the guilt on the profile of the supposed hijacker make such an obvious plant? like everyone is stupid? or would they level us into thinking yeah, it would be so stupid to do that so clearly he's not and it's legit? And was the guy who found it an FBI agent? Some sources say yes and some say no.

The theme here is questions, questions, and more questions. You would have to be a gullible idiot or deeply indoctrinated to blindly believe what the power structure tells you about this event. But you would have to be crazy to connect the dots in some meaningful way in the current information landscape and ignore tons of your own inconsistencies which are bound to arise (as arise they do in EVERY alternative theory).

Accept that the truth is there is no hard truth regarding this. We can't even agree on who killed Kennedy, one man shot in broad daylight in front of crowds. You think we can derive conclusions about this? in a vacuum of evidence buried under layers of secrecy, intentional and unintentional misinformation, screeching nationalism and jingoist propaganda?

We cannot.
02-18-2014 , 06:13 PM
Holy **** you are a genuine ******.
02-18-2014 , 06:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
Holy **** you are a genuine ******.
Did you like it when I said "screeching nationalism"? That's an allusion to the eagle, one of our national symbols.
02-18-2014 , 06:25 PM
i think we shouldn't exclude aliens and the illuminati
02-18-2014 , 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
Accept that the truth is there is no hard truth regarding this. We can't even agree on who killed Kennedy...
02-19-2014 , 05:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken

Could a passport survive that completely intact? I highly doubt it.



Somehow, I highly doubt you are at all familiar with what types of objects survive plane crashes.

But here you are.

Commenting.
02-19-2014 , 08:23 AM
Quote:
Could a passport survive that completely intact? I highly doubt it.
Are you some sort of passport durability expert? Who the **** cares if you "doubt it"? I doubt that the sun is going to come up today.

Quote:
Then again, we don't often crash planes into buildings so we don't exactly know what to expect. Were a bunch of non-terrorist passports also found or other remnants of things on board? Who the **** knows?
Uh, I do. It wasn't even hard. Check this out:
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Pe...Proof_Passport

A ****load of small items survived the crash, including a passport of one of the hijackers. That isn't hard at all for me to believe.

This is just classic conspiritard work. Absolutely no affirmative theory is ever stated, obviously, but the "just asking questions" and lies.

1) It wasn't passports, it was one passport. Well, probably more than one passport survived, but the conspiracy theory you're embellishing here(and why would a diligent and independent thinker do that?) is about a single passport by one of the hijackers.

2) What the **** is the point of the government planting a random passport a few blocks away?

How does that tie in with the rest of your truther bull****? AFAIK as recently as our last truther thread you were mostly about how "WTC was a controlled demolition!". Was that version of Deuces a shill? Because the flavor you are now is more like a "the WTC and Pentagon were hit by MISSILES!" truther

Anyway, this is truther SOP. You start with an event that, at very first examination, kinda seems implausible(a passport surviving a plane crash). The straightforward explanation that explosions propel debris outward is for some reason discarded in favor of JUST ASKING QUESTIONS(and also P.S. LYING), and you "win" the argument if people can't explain to your satisfaction hows come a passport was found.

      
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