Why do the leftists love a religion that does this to gays??

Of course, this is not isolated to just one part of Indonesia.

Clearly we should go to war with this religion and kill all of its adherents. Good point.

What leftists do you refer to that love Islam on the basis that that's what they do with gays?

What do you think about Christianity regarding the LGBTQ? Isn't it a coincidence that all of the bigoted right wing homophobic conservative politicians are Christians? Golly that's strange!

These news stories should be discussed. It would really help if it wasn't couched as an attack on 'lefties' or the religion in general.


It's abominable how LGBTQ people are treated in some places, any pressure we can bring to other countries is worth considering.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/0

I don't know much about Indonesia but this doesn't seem the norm there although maybe things are getting worse.

Christians are just as bad. Any religion that is intolerance is bad.

Isn't it a coincidence that all the bigoted right wing homophobic conservative politicians in the Middle East are Muslims? But you love them for some reason because they share your hatred of Jews and Christians.

Christians just as bad? That's absurd.

You could MAYBE argue for Christians used to be just as bad, like 500 years ago. I doubt it. But what are we talking about, an aggregate, average of all Christians versus an aggregate, average of all Muslims. Think about that too, based on the Pew studies.

Christians are just as bad. Complete nonsense.

Leftists don't love Islam. Leftists defend the principle of religious freedom and the common sense of judging people on the content of their character instead irrational prejudice and stereotype.

Most domestic terrorists are white men. Should we organize a crackdown on white men?

Do you see how flimsy your premises are? How can you not?

You can also track the rise of religious extremism in Indonesia with our assaults on the ME. When you attack people, kill them, and destroy their societies some of them will take you on even if you are more powerful. Religion becomes a convenient organizing tool for aims which are fundamentally secular.

The West has intentionally promoted the rise of Islamic extremism as well as carelessly antagonized it.

Donald Trump, the U.S. president, just announced the sale of billions of dollars worth of weapons to the Saudis. Do you know what they do? Are you aware of all the ways they promote extremist Islam?

Stop fighting your own countrymen because they are a little more accepting and caring than you. I am always shocked, daily, at how people are raped so hard by elites and then turn on each other. Do you like being raped? Did it ever occur to your dumb ass that giving weapons and diplomatic support to the biggest purveyors of extremist Islam is not the best way to combat it?

Yeah, no bad Christians since 1500... Except for the British empire, the Nazis, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Hmmm. Aren't we talking about, now? Aren't we talking about treatment of gay people.

Aren't you talking about how badly Christian's treat gay people versus how badly Muslims treat gay people? I thought that was the question.

If you're saying, over all time, on all questions, both religions have been equally bad, ok, carry on.

You're the one that brought up 500 years.

Christians are just as hateful. The difference is that Christians have been neutered in some countries. There are still some countries where Christians get to do barbaric things.

This religion has declared war on gays. Are you too cowardly to stand up for people to be treated decently?

It seems a high percentage of those on the left are gay. It seems a high percentage of muslims are anti gay. There are Billions of Muslms. If I were gay, I would be highly concerned.

Many Christians may not accept homosexuality, however, most are not going to use violence against them.

This is the problem with many on this forum. You argue for what should be but not what is. Did anybody here have any doubt who committed the terrorist attack at the Ariana Grande concert? It wasn't a white supremacist.

I was always talking now. When you pushed back, I assumed you must have been referring to some distant past, cuz that's the only thing that makes sense.

OK, so you're saying Christians (as an aggregated averaged whole) are better because they've been forced to be. OK.

You keep using that present tense. Christians are just as hateful? Are we talking against gay people?

I love bigoted right wing homophobic conservative politicians in the Middle East? I hate Jews and Christians? Present evidence of this please, it's news to me and I find it hard to believe!

I'm really learning a lot about what I believe in this thread.

Going to find a Mosque and convert tomorrow.

I'm sure the Manchester bombing is what tipped you over the edge.

im just defending islam if US terrorizes moslems and i refuse to be angry if some muslim blows up some people, as the problem is caused by the US.

else i dont like islam.

tbh it is an unsolved problem of politcal correctness. What counts more, women rights, gay rights, immigrant rights?

And to give you the answer: since feminism is the driving force behind political correctness, islam is bad when it conflict with women rights and good if it conflicts with rights off western man.

A prett cynical worldview, but its hard to find any consistent worldview today.

Oh, so I have to hate every Muslim and wish for their death or else I'm not standing up? **** you for thinking that.

You tell me.

I like how you use hyperbole to justify that you're not even willing to condemn their actions. All you want to do is defend them. Typical.

You're the one signing up for the terrorist training camps. You tell me.

crickets...



See I notice that you keep saying "are" when talking about Christians being just as hateful as Muslims. That is completely absurd. On average, it is not, even, close. (Now.)

It's just a little thing about the truth. You can move on if you want, but it bugs me enough to bring us back to the truth to see if you want to admit it.

Of course I condemn these actions. But YOU didn't condemn them in the OP. You attacked Leftists for some reason. You're obviously a passionate champion for homosexual rights who...makes a thread so you can attack leftists and feel superior?

The best way to help LGBTQ Muslims is to support moderate and progressive Muslims who support gay rights.

Do we count the Iraq war as hateful or not?

We are talking about hateful to gay people.