Not true. I countered your incorrect claim. You stated that people personally attack everyone who has an opinion they don't share. I pointed out that this was incorrect. There are many people here who regularly disagree with the majority of people on here who are not generally personally attacked. That is not a personal attack, that is pointing out that you were once again factually incorrect.

I also observed that nearly everyone who reads your post attacks the content you post and you. That is not an insult, merely an honest reflection on what we see in nearly every thread you post in. I was attempting to point out that there's something unique in your posts that is different then others who merely have differing opinions.

I also pointed out how part of your response to me was not in any way a sensible response to what I was speaking of. It was a tangent that in no way spoke to my comment.

I also discussed how some opinions, even when different, can have respect while suggesting why others do not. I pointed out that your have the appearance of coming from someone who remains blissfully ignorant to recent history. So while you do have an opinion, it has little bearing on reality and therefore makes one question if its even your truthful opinion.

While it may be your opinion that this is namecalling, your opinion again ignores much of the details.

Let's be clear what started this... you stated in your opinion that, "Clearly the Democrats deserve all the credit for the shutdown."

For you to state this you would have to be ignorant of all the history that led to this.

For starters, 80 members of the Teaparty Republicans signed a letter to Boehner urging him to force the Democrats to defund Obamacare and pledging to shutdown the government if they didn't get their way. This was roundly discussed throughout the media in August of this year.

Furthermore, there was an action plan posted on a Koch brothers funded website that was open to all in February of 2013 outlining the plan to attack Obamacare including using shutting down the government as a tactic.

So... they had an action plan to shutdown the government if they didn't get their way.

The Republicans signed pledges to shutdown the government.

Then, when they do shutdown the government....

you conclude its the Democrat's fault!

So you're not mocked because you have a different opinion. You're mocked because you have to pretend to be completely ignorant of all the news for the months building up to the shutdown to hold your opinion.

I look forward to you pretending that people are just insulting you because your opinion is just different as opposed to all that I really stated.

I agree with you that dems shouldn't be given credit for the shutdown.

Your list of all the times a repub stated they are willing to shut it down w/o some compromise seems incomplete w/o a mention of obama stating pre-shutdown that he refused to negotiate w/ repubs over certain topics too (I hope I didn't imagine this, but I thought I remember him repeating this 20-30 times).

Don't kid him kurto, everyone is mocked or personally attacked in politics if they have an opinion different from someone else. I can't tell you how many times I have been called dumb and even racist (even tho I have an AA and latino cousins that I am VERY close too) for an idea or thought that is shared by millions of conservatives.

Just because millions if people think it, and you totes have some black friends, doesn't mean something isn't racist.

mbn if every time I lost I blamed it on race. I don't have any friends so I cant be a racist. Every time a democrat loses or a bill is not passed it was racism its a Obama nation.

Anyone translate that?

Yup that's perfect. lol.

In what zany world is your/you're a "small" mistake?

Agreed. Having millions of people agree with me, having a black friend, doesn't mean it IS racist either... unless one or two posters on 2+2 say it is racist then it is obvious racist.

Not 100%, but I think he is trying to say that just because a liberal calls something racist doesn't mean its racist.

I'm pretty sure you've tried to represent every side of this.

This has been pointed out to you several times that the Republicans are to be blamed for the shutdown as they had been planning to do it since at least feb. of last year. The NY times article was posted on this site and directed to your attention several times that one of the Tea Party sites had posted online their action plan which included shutting down the government if they didn't get their demands. It was pointed out to you that 80 members of the GOP had signed a pledge to shutdown the govt. if they didn't get their demands.

So you're claiming that the Republicans are not to blame requires you to ignore their very public plans and pledges to do exactly that. So you can see why you and Dkay are considered birds of a feather.


But he doesn't have to compromise here. He got the law passed. The law passed a constitutional challenge. The Republicans tried to repeal it like 40 times and failed. If the Republicans couldn't legally repeal the law, then they refuse to fund the govt. to get their way, one can't in good conscience say this is a lack of compromise on Obama's part. Only a partisan hack can say this is nothing but the actions of the GOP.

Wrong. Seattlelou, for instance, is a Republican and he is not routinely mocked. People like him and debate him without belittling him.

Saying that everyone is mocked because you are called dumb and racist is obvious horrible logic. You are called racist and dumb because of the content of your posts which has been explained in detail over and over again.

The fact that you have ethnic cousins does nothing to null the fact that you hold and express racist ideas repeatedly. And there's a whole volume of posts explaining why much of the stuff you post is inane.

Also- the fact that you hold ideas that millions of others hold does not make them racist. The GOP has a multi-decade history of using racial politics to draw voters. The fact that millions of conservatives hold racist ideas is partially the effect of the GOP using racist ideas to arouse voters.

Even now in the GOP study after the last election, they noted that the GOP efforts on immigration were not only offending minorities -- (this is the important part) -- their experts noted that immigration reform is good economic policy. Their study indicated that they should change their policies towards immigrants not only because of how it effects voters but because it makes better economic sense. But the GOP has failed to do so because their active base responds to anti-immigrant language. So you still have people like Ted Cruz torpedoing any efforts of the GOP to move in that direction. Because the active racist ideas held by millions of their voters that they've reinforced for decades are now driving the party. So noting that millions of people hold racist ideas does not mean that your ideas aren't racist. (To make it even easier for you, there were millions who supported slavery when it was legal. If this was the civil war era and you supported slavery, you could try to argue that you weren't racist because millions of others supported slavery. But you would still be wrong. The number of people who share your ideas has no bearing on how right they are.)

oddly enough no liberal has every claimed that simply because a liberal calls something racist makes it so. The fact is there are probably 100s of posts making detailed arguments explaining precisely why some of the posts you've made are racist. It makes no difference if the person making the argument is liberal, an anarchist or a conservative. You constantly ignore people's arguments and pretend that all that's important is that they might be a liberal. (I say might be liberal because I'm pretty certain a lot of the people who argue with you are not liberals.)

This is the kind of behavior you would expect from high school girls. These guys are frigging morons.

Shake harder, boy!

Yes, this is much more dignified selfie...

Dems been dead since Clinton. Been moving to the right to try to capture all the voters they keep losing by moving to the right. They are Republicans Lite and we all now that lite drinks make you fat.

Democrats are the reason that a majority don't vote.

They've won the presidency the last two cycles and a majority of the country votes tho?

Just for sh*ts and giggles I would be curious to know how this glorious piece of fiction came about. I assume there's some poll of something where non-voters blamed the democrats? Please source this statement of yours. Its fascinating.

FYP

The Republicans are more coherent and consistent than the Democrats. They are the right and extreme right, and everyone knows what they are voting. They've lost some voters to secondary movements, but then at the end they end up assimilating these movements. The Democrats reacted to Reagan with the idea that they were losing the centrist voters, the mythical "swing" voters, by moving first more towards the center, then well past it to the Republican side (the originas of the police state and the banking crisis have as much to do with the Clinton administration as with the Bush administrations). Folks like me, who never even considered voting Republican, lost interest in voting for Republican lite and stopped voting. It gets tiresome always to vote for the lesser evil, and as much as one wants to punish the Democrats for their pandering to the right, voting for the further right is hardly a good way to do it.

Folks don't vote because they find both parties inadequate. The Republicans do a better job than the Democrats of advancing a clear and coherent agenda. In my case I disagree with it almost completely, but that's not relevant to what I am arguing. The Democrats never could decide if they were the party of John Lewis or Zell Miller, and it's not viable to be the party of both.

Yea, they did a pretty good job of putting a coherent and consistent message forward against Obama, why did they do so poorly? Maybe the only people who like their message are old white guys and they're dying?

it does not follow from the above that "Democrats are the reason that a majority don't vote."

Also- I completely disagree that Democrats don't put a clear and coherent agenda. The bigger issue imo is that they don't deliver. (though that's true of any party)

I think of late I would even disagree that the Republicans have had difficulty showing any kind of principles other then "we do the opposite of what Obama wants."

Finally - voter turnout has actually been relatively constant since about 1920 (about 57% +/- a few percentage points from election to election)


Your analysis kind of falls apart when you try to apply it over the last 95 years or so.

And finally- Voter turnout has actually gone up for the last 2 elections and the Democrats have won - so that would require MORE people to vote democrat.

In summary - your entire thesis is wrong.

I'm definately one of the swing voters you guys were discussing. My voting history is HW, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Kerry, Obama and in 2012 was my first ever pass. Democrats had nothing to do with me not voting just didn't want to have to choose between two lying POS.

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