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The tragic death of the Democratic party The tragic death of the Democratic party

08-19-2013 , 05:33 PM
If the Republican party is dying, so too is the Democratic party, equally. Clearly.

Obama was the big great hope changer, so beloved by the Democrats that elected him, they relected him in 2012. Civil liberties have eroded more, government abuses have increased, the drone war has greatly increased, and all of the significant things that Obama promised during his first campaign, transparency, closing gitmo, gutting the PATRIOT act, ending illegal surveillance, none of it has happened, and the president has been caught lying to the american people about the extent of government surveillance.

Both major parties in the U.S. want to continue down the path of the status quo, at a faster rate, year by year. Neither is representative of the common man, and neither party is good for civil liberties. When all that protects individuals from a government that controls the largest military that has ever existed, and has the greatest power that has ever existed, is ten little crib notes on a piece of paper called the bill of rights, and neither party even pretends to care about the amendments, or the real life implications for individuals who lack the protection of those amendments, it is abundantly clear that BOTH parties are tragically dying, as the United States is dying.


To end this segment, I'm going to post some poll data.



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Republicans oppose, Democrats support NSA surveillance, poll says

One finding that has shown up in several surveys has been a split between Republicans and Democrats on the issue.

With President Obama in the White House, Democrats stand in support of the NSA’s methods, 49% to 40% in the Gallup survey. Republicans were opposed 63% to 32%. When President George W. Bush was in office, Republicans were supportive of government surveillance efforts and Democrats opposed.

Part of that shift may reflect the fact that on an issue in which many of the facts remain classified, members of the public are more willing to trust the judgment of an administration they support overall.

That same partisan divide remains in the debate on whether the man responsible for the leaks exposing NSA practices, Edward Snowden, was right in his actions. Democrats, by 49% to 39%, say Snowden, a former NSA contractor, was wrong to leak classified information to the Guardian and the Washington Post, according to Gallup. Among Republicans, the numbers were reversed, 49% saying he was right and 38% saying he was wrong.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun...-poll-20130612

And the Democratic party died not with a bang, but with the jack booted shuffle of being lock step behind their lying, treasonous leader.
08-19-2013 , 05:34 PM
Posting here in unchained, because the fascist, **** mod, partisan hack **** wit wookie locked it in the other forum.
08-19-2013 , 05:38 PM
08-19-2013 , 05:44 PM
**** off LirvA. The least you could have done is tried to make it look like you learned anything from that thread when making it again.
08-19-2013 , 06:49 PM
Don't you have homework to do?
08-19-2013 , 06:52 PM
Woot, I consider his second post to be part of the OP so this one gets an extra Lirva bingo point for the inclusion of fascist!
08-19-2013 , 07:09 PM
Those first three sentences make it easier for me to see how you managed to get a D in English.
08-19-2013 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
Posting here in unchained, because the fascist, **** mod, partisan hack **** wit wookie locked it in the other forum.
The fact that you have yet to get permabanned should make you rethink your whole "Wookie is a fascist" stance.
08-19-2013 , 07:13 PM
08-19-2013 , 07:22 PM
08-19-2013 , 07:41 PM
Obv just because riverman had sand in his vagina.
08-19-2013 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Those first three sentences make it easier for me to see how you managed to get a D in English.
How do you not love "big great hope changer"?
08-19-2013 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
How do you not love "big great hope changer"?
It's his use of commas that rustles my jimmies.
08-19-2013 , 08:34 PM
I was pretty impressed with:

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want to continue down the path of the status quo, at a faster rate, year by year.
I want the status quo and I want it faster!
08-19-2013 , 08:51 PM
I been drinking, so this may not be quite right, but instead of

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Originally Posted by LirvA
Obama was the big great hope changer, so beloved by the Democrats that elected him, they relected him in 2012. Civil liberties have eroded more, government abuses have increased, the drone war has greatly increased, and all of the significant things that Obama promised during his first campaign, transparency, closing gitmo, gutting the PATRIOT act, ending illegal surveillance, none of it has happened, and the president has been caught lying to the american people about the extent of government surveillance.
how about

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Originally Posted by LirvA
Obama was the great hope changer --so beloved by the Democrats who elected him in 2008 that they relected him in 2012. Civil liberties have eroded, government abuses have increased, the drone war has greatly increased, and all of the significant things that Obama promised during his first campaign: transparency, closing GITMO, gutting the PATRIOT act, ending illegal surveillance --none of them have happened. And furthermore, the president has been caught lying to the American people about the extent of government surveillance.
I like that much better.
08-19-2013 , 08:57 PM
Still needs a lot of work. What's the point of the first sentence? There's no actual follow up to the "Obama was the great hope changer". And you can go further and ask what's the point of the paragraph? There's some arguments being made about something - but its not clear what.
08-19-2013 , 09:04 PM
I mean if we are being critical here:

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Obama was the great hope changer --so beloved by the Democrats who elected him in 2008 that they relected him in 2012. Civil liberties have eroded, government abuses have increased, the drone war has greatly increased, and all of the significant things that Obama promised during his first campaign: transparency, closing GITMO, gutting the PATRIOT act, ending illegal surveillance --none of them have happened. And furthermore, the president has been caught lying to the American people about the extent of government surveillance.
............
I added some spare full stops underneath. Spread them around, spell check because that isnt how re-election is spelt (a valid English English word btw) and split it into two paragraphs because that should be split into two. Things he did and things he didnt do. I cleaned up some of the language too:

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Obama was billed as the great hope changer, who is in his second term with a high approval rating amongst Democrats, but the results have been more of the same. Civil liberties eroded. Government abuse increased. The drone war been expanded in scope and intensity. Furthermore, the president has been caught lying to the American people about the extent of government surveillance.

Then there are all of the significant things that Obama promised during his first campaign which didnt happen: transparency, closing GITMO, gutting the PATRIOT act.[close this paragraph with something punchy tying back into the first sentence on "great hope changer"]
(no endorsement of the content)

Last edited by [Phill]; 08-19-2013 at 09:09 PM. Reason: removed haves and has in first parag in the list of stuff. Redundant word is redundant
08-19-2013 , 09:08 PM
Much better. I'd change "more of the same" to be explicit and mention Bush era policies otherwise its not that clear what is being talked about.

Still needs an overall thesis about what is being said about Obama.
08-19-2013 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Still needs a lot of work. What's the point of the first sentence?
I can work on the grammar, but man, no one can fix the content of a LirvA rant.

I'm not sure if I like

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Originally Posted by LirvA
Obama was the great hope changer --so beloved by the Democrats who elected him...
or

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Originally Posted by LirvA
Obama was the great hope changer; so beloved by the Democrats who elected him...
better. It depends on the venue imo.
08-19-2013 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Much better. I'd change "more of the same" to be explicit and mention Bush era policies otherwise its not that clear what is being talked about.

Still needs an overall thesis about what is being said about Obama.
Yeah, that is a good direction to close the second paragraph with more of the same Bush 2.0 kinda rhetoric being the overall punch of the piece. That way you get a beginning, middle and end tying it all together.

You kinda need a good zing on hope and change being hopeless and unchanged as a single sentence summation third paragraph to aid skim readers gaining the core detail of the previous parags.
08-19-2013 , 09:14 PM
Semicolon in your second version there is objectively wrong.
08-19-2013 , 09:18 PM
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Obama was billed as the great hope changer, who is in his second term with a high approval rating amongst Democrats, but what change has he delivered? Civil liberties eroded. Government abuse increased. The drone war been expanded in scope and intensity. Furthermore, the president has been caught lying to the American people about the extent of government surveillance.

Then there are all of the significant things that Obama promised during his first campaign which didnt happen: transparency, closing GITMO, gutting the PATRIOT act. When GW Bush left the White House people were confused what his legacy would be, it turns out to have been eight more years of his policies being carried forward by the other party.

Obama promised hope and change but he will leave America hopeless and changed only for the worse.
See LirvA, this is much better. First sentence needs punching up a bit though.

Edit, that works better as an open
08-19-2013 , 09:25 PM
would anyone get mad if i just made a thread titled "the (not-so) tragic death of lirva"?
08-19-2013 , 09:27 PM
Only one way to find out.

My money goes on suicide by cop, fwiw.
08-19-2013 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Semicolon in your second version there is objectively wrong.
True. How about

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Originally Posted by Lirva
Obama was the great hope changer; beloved by the Democrats who elected him...

      
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