Has socialism ever worked in a multicultural society like America?

Sure, though usually when people say "multicultural" what they mean to say is that socialism or left wing economic theory isn't politically viable in America, not that socialism, democratic socialism, etc doesn't actually work. It's a nifty workaround for the inconvenient fact that democratic socialism, etc many times have better economic indicators (more patents, more entrepreneurship, higher wages, more economic dynamism, etc.) than what laisse faire capitalism returns.

In other words, even if America is too racist (or multicultural) to enact socialism, that doesn't mean socialism doesn't work. And is, in fact, a good reason for everyone to start advocating it to overcome that multicultural "fear".

It's never worked anywhere. How could it possibly work in the US?

https://twitter.com/mammothfactory/s...09193894768640

Not even close, but nice try.

What inventions have been created under socialism? Do you have examples?

You can read further down if you want some annodotal evidence, the Nordic music industry is the most advanced, they have several successful Internet companies and game studios, 5G cell technology before the US, Android phone technology came from the Nordics, etc

http://www.demos.org/blog/6/9/15/nor...mbie-arguments

Norway is not socialism. And they have tons of natural resources with a small population. Almost any form of non-corrupt govt would work there.

Music is cool, but you know what? My car still drives w/o it. It's kind of a disconnect when I'm talking about inventions, and you're talking about Norway's music industry.

The whole article is about zombie arguments. First would be that high taxes and a welfare state would slow growth. Turns out that's not true. So then it moves on to more nebulous concepts like 'inventiveness', but, it turns out, the Nordic countries also do very well in whatever metrics can be used to marshal the idea of 'inventiveness' as well.

So now we're reduced to saying, I guess, that the Nordic are doing the wrong kind of inventiveness? Maybe?

It's about Nordic counties, not just Norway.

Does capitalism work in dense countries with low natural resources? What is this mythic scale by which 'socialism' has never succeeded but 'capitalism' always has? Rose colored glasses much?

None of them are socialism.

Sure, if that's your prerogative. Call them Democratic socialist, push to enact programs similar to what they have and then go a bit further eventually.

You mean like Hong Kong?

What I am saying is that socialists have never made a good car, or invented anything useful, except for perhaps Linux, which is pretty good. And even that, Linux is traded on the stock exchange. Linux is the only thing I can think of anyway.

It is not perfect because it is regulated. And when it is regulated it is not capitalism.

Our founding fathers would disagree with you on regulated capitalism.

“I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements.” - Thomas Jefferson

“If we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.” - Thomas Jefferson

“All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in the Constitution or Confederation, not from a want of honor or virtue so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.” -John Adams

oh god, my head hurts reading some replies in this thread.

Unregulated capitalism is the idea that lead to the crisis of 2008, a free market can implode much more easily than a regulated one.

The Founding Fathers also disagree with me on slavery, voting rights for women, treatment of native Americans, etc. I'm sure you'd love to go back to the "good old days", but those good old days were only good for rich white males.

Your entire argument is fallacious. You're using countries that are not socialist as an "example" of how great socialism is.

Hong Kong is not a country.

Like Singapore, it employs a system of heavily regulated capitalism with extensive social programs and welfare. I'm glad to see that you're a fan of social programs and welfare.

While neither place has very many natural resources, they are both located in shipping lanes and have huge ports that have brought in vast amounts of foreign money. Both are also huge shopping centers for other Asian tourists.

Because capitalism doesn't have the PR team that the federal government has your opinion is very popular. However, the majority of blame should lie on government.

Nice try, but Hong Kong was largely independent and unregulated before being handed over to the Chinese.

Lol, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, for example, was due to the gov't, and populists like Todd and Frank who floated the idea of home ownership being a right. Not to mention low interest rates from the FED. Black Peter's heavily regulated welfare capitalism hard at work.