Wow that is a dumb thing to say, while omitting the rest of his post where he indicated a preference for mandatory reporting. Almost like you want to mischaracterize his position or you really are as thick-skulled as you seem.

Let the professionals handle their respective areas does seem like the better approach.

Obviously if a victim goes to a crisis or counseling center they shouldn't automatically report it to the police regardless of the victim's wishes.

Mandatory reporting is something to debate. What if the victim tells a RA, professor, or school administrator?

No no no. We're not going to ****ing reach a compromise here where each side has to give a little because there'a a good faith disagreement. Brian, DIB, spank... you have no idea what you're talking about.

What problem does mandatory reporting to the police solve, and how specifically would you implement it? I'm noticing nobody answered my questions about that earlier in the page.

Also, what the **** does mandatory reporting have to do with preventing schools from punishing code of conduct violations? Why shouldn't schools be allowed to do that, spank?

I'm not saying he's solving any specific problem. I'm just saying that it is possible to state his likely position in a coherent fashion that makes sense. It is possible to do so even when he is wrong. Whether Brian is actually doing so is a different question.

I'd rather have more of a surveillance state with a smaller private sphere so that there is a smaller social space in which to commit a crime like rape and a greater chance of capturing evidence of precursors to rape.

We'll be better off when cell phones advance to the point that they practically function as body cameras for everybody.

If a crime is reported to anyone, school official or otherwise, and if they didn't personally witness the crime, I don't think there should be an obligation to report if the victim doesn't want it, unless there's an immediate and ongoing credible threat to others. (that's like threatening to kill someone and has a gun)

School officials reporting sexual assaults against the victim's wishes I think would literally be in absolutely no one's best interest.

That would make sense if people who commit sexual assault rarely assault more than one person.

Protecting one individual's privacy or protecting other individuals from the potential of a sexual predator?

He likes to talk about how he's good for society because he's raising his daughter but becomes real testy when you point out that if he's raising his daughter to be a piece of **** like he is, that's a negative to society.

Also provided strong evidence in favor of "does whining about being called a racist correlate with racism".

What a racist clown.

Discouraging people from reporting would be worse potential victims. No one is getting convicted without the victim's cooperation.

If you're talking about school officials and police compelling rape victims into compliance, I'm pretty sure you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Mandating that they report is requiring them to do something.

I'm not worried about them doing more than that. I am worried about them doing less by handling it internally instead of requiring them involving the legal system.

Remember when you asked FoldN where he went to school and/or what he got his degree in?

Well I once asked you a question about your credentials and I’m gonna ask it again. What makes you think YOU know what YOU’RE talking about?

Because I’ve #dudeliterally taken multiple relevant graduate-level courses, and I’ve #dudeliterally worked in the field for years to gain IRL experience that relates directly to the topic at hand.

My opinion, as someone who #dudeliterally does know what the **** I'm talking about? I think nobody projects ITF as much as you do. I think you’re an ignorant blowhard who offers nothing but vapid, albeit strongly-worded, opinions. I think you rely on a nebulous, non-existent authority in each and every conversation you enter.

I think you’re utterly fraudulent.

You’re noticing that, are you?

Did you notice how I answered your, “Should schools be legally prohibited from having internal discipline…” question succinctly?

Did you notice how you immediately followed that up with more questions, and how I said you first had to answer mine?

Did you notice how you blatantly ignored my question and kept on ranting?

But Fly, despite your inability to have a conversation, I’ll answer you. But for now I’m just gonna answer with another question.

Do you know what you’re ****ing talking about? Because the more you spew, the more ignorant you come across. Are you familiar at all with how mandated reporting works? Do you know what problems it solves? Do you know what happens when mandated reporters don’t comply? Go read up and get back to the class, because you seem to #dudeliterally not be very familiar with the concept.

What would you say to, oh, I don’t know, the Rape, Incest and Abuse National Network if they said something like, “While we respect the seriousness with which many schools treat such internal processes ,and the good intentions and good faith of many who devote their time to participating in such processes, the simple fact is that these internal boards were designed to adjudicate charges like plagiarism, not violent felonies. The crime of rape just does not fit the capabilities of such boards. They often offer the worst of both worlds: they lack protections for the accused while often tormenting victims.”?

HINT: Because they DID say that, and the good folks of RAINN are far more knowledgeable than even YOU are Fly…believe it or not!

LOL you.

Oh and look at how this **** works.

At this point apparently Brian's ignorant musings have advanced to the DEFAULT, like microbet needs to be careful in his wording of critiques of Brian's zero-thought, zero-information "spidey-sense" suggestion?


Because you're from SMP so it's pulling ****ing teeth to get you to actually articulate a ****ing thesis, you said that microbet's mild pushback against a vague and frankly radical suggestion that counselors should be obligated to breach their confidentiality and report... something... to somebody... for some reason DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. You know what does make sense? Whatever Brian said. Oh and the reader apparently has the obligation to fix up any factual errors Brian made before critiquing his views.

So what actual policy are you suggesting here, Asian, and what problem does it solve? Don't back off now and lay it all on Brian like "oh it's just his idea I'm just making sure everyone is supernice to him", you've anted up and you're in.

DIB-
Uh, I answered all your questions. I even made fun of the numbering you used! It's on this ****ing page you illiterate **********:

Again, DIB, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's incoherent. You don't know how it works now, you don't know how you want to change it.

Also, wait, you answered my question "No". So you do think schools should be allowed to discipline their students. Then what's the point of the RAINN quote, don't you agree with me about that now?

FlyWf is so bad, alls he can do is spew nonsense accusations supported by thin air and beg questions so hard they give him free housing.

FlyWf is an anti-advocate. I do sincerely wonder if his account is a sock puppet run by a RWNJ.

I missed your response. Honest mistake.

But FYI, #dudeliterally everything I said about you stands. You have no credibility, no authority, and are entirely fraudulent.

I didn't lie. Schools shouldn't be prohibited from having internal discipline. Schools should not adjudicate on rape allegations. They are not mutually exclusive.

Like sure, let them deal with plagiarism or w/e. But please, for the love of God, don't have Sally Sanders, Bog Smith and Pete Jenkins from the ****ing history department deal with a potential serial rapist or cold blooded killer. It's ****ing asinine.

Did you read the RAINN quote? I've quoted it a billion times. It's extremely straight forward, and I happen to agree with it 100%.

You do know that student rape allegations aren't always reported to the police, right? Like, students claim they're raped and cops never hear about it. They go through an internally-managed proceeding at X University and get expelled. Then, as serial rapists do, they keep raping...either in the community, or at the new school they re-enroll in.

That happens. It's a thing.

And you're cool with it.

DIB's not into discipline? Well there goes my weekend plans.

OK,
I don't know what you think "adjudicate on rape allegations" means in this sentence. Schools don't do that now. Rape is a crime, so rape allegations would be adjudicated in court. Do you think that if someone is punished by a internal review board they can like, use that to avoid prison? "Your honor while I did rape that girl let the record show I was also suspended this entire semester before trial here so you have to let me go, I rest my case"

Again, you have no idea how it works now. Why do you think so many people have told you that? Unsurprisingly, it's because you have literally no idea what you're talking about. It's nonsense, it's gibberish. You started from trying to protect bros who **** drunk chicks from getting the hammer dropped on them, and you're still there.


Also, since you're weirdly into accusing me of being a fraud, here's my resume:

1) Women have sex with me for reasons that have nothing to do with their immigration status

2) I've never sucked cock for drugs

Literally like reading a single article about Jameis Winston would correct the misapprehension here, it's incredible how little DIB knows about the criminal justice system/the sort of colleges that have classes in actual buildings.

So you're gonna go semantics now and finish with dick sucking jokes? That's your out?

But at least you referenced your non-existent authority and your zero credentials. It's a start. Perhaps we should finish with a full blown admission about how you're a nobody with no authority on anything? The liberal equivalent of Rush ****ing Limbaugh, blowing hard about topics you have no business even having a ****ing opinion on?

But ok, despite RAINN referencing rape when addressing the White House task force, and despite you knowing exactly what the **** is being discussed, perhaps we should call it sexual assault. You know, to not rustle your delicate jimmies. We'll do that then.

Fly has got to be a RWNJ liberal sock puppet who has broken character from the pressure of having no imagination and being confronted by real advocates. I wonder which other posters here are part of his team or if he is just a lone wolf playing all the right notes of divide and abuse for popular entertainment. I hope not, but if the cap fits, let them wear it.

Maybe we need to convene a panel of university administrators to sort it out before going to the authorities.

We stopped allowing police to ask "would you like to press charges" (in some jurisdictions) and it led to good things in regard to domestic violence and other forms of physical assault. We stopped allowing schools to use their best judgment when there was suspicion of child abuse and it led to good things in regard to child abuse. We added a duty to report to psychologists (in some jurisdictions) and it led to great things.

We aren't compelling the victim to comply. We are taking away any guilt they might feel (common amongst victims of violence) by not requiring them to make the choice to report. We are also taking away the school's opportunity to sweep problems under the rug.

I understand the risks you are worried about, but they have never materialized.

That's funny if you think I believe people should be supernice to Brian. It's also funny that you think I am from SMP.

In my response to microbet, I am simply pointing out that "school officials reporting sexual assaults against the victim's wishes" would probably be in the best interest of any future victims.

In my response to you, I point out that Brian's views make sense, in that there is a consistent internal logic. You can't have a good argument with him without first accurately describing his views.

I may have anted up and I'm in, but I'm not all-in, so I don't have to show all my cards right now.