I don't know what's more stupid, what he actually thinks or the expectation that anyone wants to read something that long by someone everyone from fly to ikes to pvn to PaulD to Dids thinks is an utter imbecile.

Wait, so is DV a learned behavior that has been passed on for generations since the days of slavery, or is poverty correlated with AAs and DV and, for AAs, an outcome of slavery? Because your initial post strongly suggested the former, and when I asked for evidence* you attempted to support the latter.

*Note, Deuces, how you said, "First, let's start with observations..." or some such, then proceeded to essentially only provide observations.

If you're gonna stand by the statement that DV is learned behavior stemming from slavery you're gonna have to do a lot better.

As I pointed out, there are multiple sources of maladaptive behaviors and conditions, into which DV is subsumed, that trace back to slavery AND post-slavery racism/oppression. This is in large part why the relationship is accessible- there is not only "learned behavior" which is only one source, but several sources and several methods of investigating them. In my response I touched on several and outlined this general framework for thinking about them and investigating them:

condition from slavery/post slavery ---> social theory linking to DV + transfer mechanism (can be empirical or theoretical) ---> more accurate attribution perhaps to benefit of therapy + mitigation of criminalization by social justice considerations (AA's never got 40 acres and a mule never mind mental health services needed to treat the maladaptations imposed by slavery and post slavery injustices).


It always starts with observations. I went on to apply theory. For example when I say that slavery and post slavery racism cause poverty that is an observation. When I say poverty causes increased DV that is applying a (well established) theory.

Do you expect me to write a book? Showing your work isn't always easy in restricted formats. I'm willing to write longer posts than most but there are limits so in most cases I try to just put things out there and then try to build up support for a thesis through raising questions, presenting facts, positing models, and debate.

I given you more than enough to be able to say the ball's in your court. There is a lot out there so a lot to attack if you disagree with it. In your program you must have been force fed a lot of social theory. Try applying it.

Dude, your connections are tenuous.

If you really want to have this convo then let's get focused and start at the beginning. How confident are you that AAs are significantly more prone to IPV than other races? Here's a quote and link from the very first (and legit) source from my Google search.

"Generally, Black women experience similar levels of intimate partner victimization in all other age categories as compared to White women, but experience slightly more domestic violence."

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/do...tatistics.html

Wouldn't expect this to be true under your understanding of slavery's influence.

Half grunching but any studies on the prevelance of serially abused women fighting back? I may be wrong but it seems odd to me. If she is this meek, serially abused person in an abusive relationship she wouldn't do that, knowing that it would likely result in her being on the end of a stiff right hand.

What is IPV? Inter personal violence? Don't just introduce semi-arcane acronyms without first spelling them out.

What is the tenuous connective here? for example:

slavery--->poverty--->increased DV

Yes, that's IPV. Please answer my question.

didn't i already tell you to get your acronyms right?

IPV stands for intimate partner violence, you moron.

or the polio vaccine, but that's not the topic here.

What about in a sexy way?

Didn't see anything in here about women staying for the sheer animal attractiveness of the abuser. Flawed link imo

The olé "I'm taking my ball and going home" trick. Clear sign of an argument winner

You are going to fit in nicely in the PNW. Check out the wet spot.