Ya so they just lost a presidential election to throwing for corporatists, then *elected* one of those same throwers the DNC head. We just got 8 years with a (D) president who literally had his whole cabinet handpicked by Citibank a week and a half after he went off public funding, but this didn't come to light until wikileaks. The Dems are talking more about Russia than Repubs, they suddenly figured out our highest office is involved in warcrimes after ignoring those same crimes for 8 years, with the crescendo of providing clusterbombs to the number one world sponsor of terrorism. Guantanamo, still open. Fed, still there. Poor people, still ****ed. Hey a few gay people got to married tho, good for them (no shade).

Turns out that most the nasty **** the Republicans have been saying for years and years is now true. Picking between the same two evils. RIP?

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They keep throwing everything they got at Trump and he just gets stronger. I don't see a Democrat President for the next 40 years. They simply don't learn from past mistakes.

Yep, every day they seem to dig themselves deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.

They just simply do not get it. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny.

It's like watching a traffic accident in slow motion. Maybe that's cliche, but it fits here considering the unyielding momentum which is driving the democrats deeper and deeper into denial. The response to getting their asses kicked by dumb freaks has been to increase the frequency of patting their own backs and emotional lashing out at anything and everything.

When I picture Nancy Pelosi I immediately think of grand delusion. Her in a leadership position is emblematic of the total dysfunction of a party in which patronage reigns supreme and corporate allegiance is a strict constraint limiting party leadership. It's only when you really see that those people are pure parasites that what they are doing makes any sense. They only want to play one way, and if they can't advance their corporate constituents then they really don't care what happens.

Ignoring the valency in question by the OP, it was shown that some Democrats where willing to commit intellectual suicide during the election to preserve the momentum of human rights causes. I found it amusing that those causes had enough momentum to continue on their own.

Republicans in Congress stopped this. But, sure, it's the Democrats fault. And Obama.

Yeah, Democrats being averse to dumb Ron Paul ideas is a good thing. Score one for Obama!

Again, Republicans in Congress blocked any help. So, naturally, it's all the Democrats' fault. Great point.

Why are you being an apologist for a Republican congress that blocked a lot of good things that Obama wanted to do? This is--at best--moronic results-oriented thinking.

You're a 9/11 truther, so...

Regret$,

These people couldn't wait to agree with you. They HATE the poor. They LOVE Guantanamo Bay being open.

I think you're sincere and I share in your frustration (except the ending the Fed thing...that's kinda weird, honestly). But mongoquartersushy are not your friends. They just love anything that will bring rage and ruin to the Democrats--so hopefully more poor people can get ****ed!

Trump won on populism, but abandoned it on his first day in office. Democrats will be there to pick up the pieces, and hopefully they use that moment to clean the party of some of its worst corporatist elements. But probably not all or most of them, honestly. Politics is messy and it's foolish to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

Dude! You lost. Stop being a poor loser. You're defending Nancy Pelosi? Enough said!

Obama did as much to smash civil rights as anyone. Do you think Assange is on the side of the right? Do you think he is less informed than you? Why did wikileaks do what they did?

Love how you immediately think cause I am suggesting disbanding the Fed that means I want to go to a gold standard. Do you know which side you are on? This is actually a pretty good case study on why the whole party is useless.

Can we get the /!\ back on this thread so I can call ------------?

Been wanting to ask this one myself. Ardent HRC supporters will fall back on a vastrightwingconspiracy.jpg.

Also, no need for a gold standard. People would just "choose gold" in an open market for money.

I've been thinking about doing a "Who's Better (or Worse), Trump or Obama". I know a lot are wishing for a third term right now.

Actually you're the one who believes in an unsubstantiated narrative about 9/11. I'm an agnostic. You're a believer.

But I see how you make a great point for retaining the leadership of the Pelosi's of the democratic party, no denial or emotional lashing out whatsoever so I stand corrected.

The irony in Obama's destruction of civil rights, seen in the contrast of the historical African American role in civil rights actualization, seems almost too big to grasp. It's a resurgence of regressive authoritarianism carried out by the first AA president, one who came to power on a wave of egalitarianism and anti-racist struggles 150 years in the making. African Americans suffered to teach this country how to live up to its own principles, only to have this Obama jackass come along and sellout on a scale that is truly astonishing. He was supposed to be the living embodiment of liberty and he proved to be the exact opposite.

I say bring George W back. Give him unlimited power and unlimited terms.

What's this referring to?

Civil rights.

This is straight up bull****. He was not perfect or even good, but the false equivalencies are tired and pathetic.

Assange is an idiot. He was spreading the "spirit cooking" nonsense and pizzagate stuff. He's a dishonest charlatan.

I'm open to ending the Fed if it's a good idea. It seems like a bad idea based on what I know. You act like the Fed still existing means that Obama isn't liberal or something, which is ridiculous.

Trump is gutting the EPA, NEA, NIH, Meals on Wheels, Medicaid and eliminating healthcare coverage for 24 million Americans while depleting the Medicare trust fund in half the time.

But he's totally the same as Obama, guys!

Obama created the divide this nation is currently experiencing. His foreign policy is a disaster. Obama Care is a disaster. He was a disaster for business.

Any questions?

This is a laughable claim. It's not Obama's fault that moron Republicans, including Trump, went nuts with birther nonsense.

Well, let hell freeze over.

I completely agree with deuces.

He's overseen the creation of a huge ass spying apparatus on american citizens, then acts surprised he has to hand the keys over to a madman.

Several fundamental, radical violations on the domestic front including against freedom of the press, privacy, and habeas corpus.

To keep it simple let's just discuss the assassination of a U.S. citizen and, in a separate attack, his teenage son, sans trial, sans charges, sans conviction- just straight to execution. Does the fact that these people were of Arab of ancestry mean that they have no rights as U.S. citizens? Or what was the justification for this?

To back up and provide a sentence or two of context, the right to a trial is a fundamental tenet in the Western philosophy of justice, with a pedigree tracing back to the Magna Carta. Policies forbidding assassinations of foreigners have been infringed on for decades, with Clinton making a lot of strides there in allowing the U.S. government to kill who it wants. As well the revelations into cointel pro and other similar programs show assassinations of citizen dissidents as covert policy. However, the government openly saying it has lawfully assassinated a U.S. citizen without a trial is a much deeper attack on civil rights. I find it hard to think of an attack on civil rights more direct than the government saying "I have the right to kill you, a U.S. citizen, because I project that you might, some day, engage in planning an attack against other U.S. citizens".

Why do you even have to ask me what I am referring to with this astonishing trespass against the most fundamental principles of civil rights just openly standing? You know that Trump's efforts to do the same thing are greatly enhanced by Obama's accomplishments, right? Trump can do anything that Obama did with very robust political cover, not to mention much less backlash from his own constituency than Obama got from the democrats (which was pathetically inadequate). That includes using secret courts to justify just about whatever his team wants.