It's perishing cold down there in winter. You wouldn't think so, but it is.

why would you want to do busness with either of these groups?

For lucre of course.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/busi...di-Arabia.html

I'll repeat again. Anytime you bring The KKK into the argument you are just straw manning.

The KKK in the US in nothing in 2016. No one is scared of them at all. They have no power. When black peoples here about a a KKK rally now they get excited for a chance to beat up some racist old white dudes.

Stop comparing Islamic terrorism to the KKk. one Is a real threat to world security and the survival of civilization. The other is absolutely nothing.

Sure I don't think the KKK itself is a big threat, right wing terrorism on minorities will uptick, but overall nothing too bad. The erosion of liberal democratic norms are more alarming because they're more insidious. Those are the closest we'll get to a "civilizational threat", mostly because they'll come under the guise of being necessary to our civilization.

Islamic terrorism isn't a civilizational threat either. There's no movement in the US to overthrow the US and replace it with Sharia, there's barely any groups that want that in the US. When the Nazis were in vogue there were whole Nazi towns and a very serious discussion whether Nazism was the future of the US. Not so with Muslim extremism.

As I alluded to earlier the whole KKK support vs Clinton Foundation is a false dichotomy. You can be against both,and condemn both to varying degrees.

When I say Islamic terrorism is a threat to world civilization I don't mean The United States is gonna throw out the constitution and suddenly start practicing Sharia. I literally mean Islamic terrorism could be the nexus of a conflict that will desteoy the world as we know it.

Better make sure those Jews get to Israel and then something about a colored bull? I don't remember how the prophecy goes.

I truly do not understand this vision, would you develop this some more, please. What do you think might happen, carried by who against who? The nexus of what sort of conflict? Are you suggesting Arabia is going to march on the Baltics, or what?

When I look at jihadi terror, I see a movement unattached to the power of a state. Nazis without German industry. So I'm not seeing how this minority movement that is at war with Islam can produce anything beyond ugly incidents. Isis is losing to local opponents.

How about 1 nuclear Bomb going off in Times Square or 1 going off in Tel Aviv setting off a nuclear holy war with Israel? Or would this just be another ugly incident.

Maybe not directly, but getting funding from wealthy and powerful nations...

+1

One of the lesser known reasons the US went to war with Iraq was because of the desire of the Arab countries to become one big Pan Arab superpower. Their leader was to be Saddam hussein. They certainly would have used their pooled recourses to go after their western foes. Similarly, these nations are now pooling their recourses and utulizing the internet to spread their ideoligy and grow stronger to combat the west. Underestimating this collective drive to destroy us would be a colossal mistake.

No. Arab nationalism had been dead for what 10 years? 20 years? Mostly dead to dictator infighting and the US and USSR machinations. And if you think "these nations" are now somehow all somehow jihadist ideologues then you haven't even looked at the Middle East in the last 5 years.

This is a very unlikely event.

I hope your right. All I know is I ain't losing any sleep over no KKk and I one else is either. It is just a straw man liberals use.

Well let's see. Obama's and Clinton's policies:

- Created the greatest terrorist state in history
- Created millions of refugees, flowing into Europe and leading to the rise of the nationalist right as locals recoil at the bigotry and misogyny and violence of the new Islamic immigrants. The right/hawks are likely to win several elections in Europe now where they wouldn't have had the chance before
- Tensions with Russia have been increasingly racheted up, in part because of Obama/Clinton actions in ME arming and funding terrorists. In fact, the Defcon nuclear war warning got substantially reduced when Trump got in, in part because of how he plans to deal with Syria.

I'd say Islamic issues have already substantially increased the risk of various major adverse events. Huehuecoyotl is being just as much of an uninformed cuck here as when he said the election had been over for a while...

11/6 on the likelihood of an election upset:
Clearly highly skilled at assessing risk and likelihood.

ISIS is Islam...they're not at war with Islam.

Pretty good actually. Polls indicated Trump had a low chance of winning. Just because someone hits a one - outer (this is a poker analogy) doesn't mean the guy who said he'd win the pot was correct. Ironically those saying Trump was likely to win were being irrational thiugh irrationality does win out occasionally. In any case predicting elections is different than accessing the Middle East.

Still incorrect

The same constraints would be in play as during the Cold War. Any government that nuked Israel or the US would be destroyed. Pakistan is the only Muslim nation with a bomb and theirs is directed against India. Who would be the players in a holy nuke war against Israel?

The future lasts a long time so who knows what might happen one day, but I don't see the current situation producing Armageddon.

Extremist groups who might be willing to use a nuke cannot build one. While we cannot rule out the possibility that some one, some day, might acquire one, how do you construct a scenario where civilization would be destroyed by, say, Daesh?

Here's what I think is a more important point. We can entertain all sorts of scenarios about extremists. Maybe Crimean separatists will somehow nuke the US so Russia gets blamed and after the ensuing holocaust Crimea can rise as an independent state. But how do we go from that to a war of civilizations between the west and Catholicism, or whatever the *** is the dominant religion of Crimea? A world religion does not operate as a unitary actor. World Catholicism did not intervene in Northern Ireland and try to expel Protestants. So I worry about Daesh, a specific group, but not Islam, or Arabic, or Hebrew.

Deep thought here.

Meanwhile, they are radical Sunnis who absolutely are at war with Shia Islam. Shut up, moron.

Oops, nope... That would be Cheney/Shrub

Wrong again ... Your fraud-based invasion and police action in Iraq directly led to that situation, as was predicted 12 years ago when racists like you were insisting progressives shut the hell up and support the fraud blindly, like you all did.

Agreed... Of course, moderate Dems were just following Heritage Foundation blueprints of siding with Sunni Saudi Arabia over Shia Iran.