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06-09-2017 , 03:40 AM
Anyone who uses the term Islamophobia in a non ironic way is a ****ing moron in my books.
06-09-2017 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This is my last post until all PC rules are abolished!
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Originally Posted by mongidig, 5 minutes later
Donald Trumps son said there would be no ambiguity if his father was truly trying to influence the investigation.
lmao
06-09-2017 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Why is everything catered to the regressive left. If there were only conservatives here we wouldn't need any rules. We could talk to each other like grown men. Unfortunately, there are too many people here who can't handle the truth.
I've seen plenty of conservative regulars in this forum report posts, btw, so uh this is all just the false image of big tough conservatives mongidig has built up in his head.
06-09-2017 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
If there were only conservatives here we wouldn't need any rules. We could talk to each other like grown men.

Could you give some examples of how you'd like to talk?
06-09-2017 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
But, the purpose of this forum is something that's been up in the air. There have been discussions about shutting it down in the mod forum. The original purpose of a second politics forum has already been rejected. There will not be another "Unchained".
I propose changing the forum name to "Politics Rechained".

I also propose Well Named makes a hostile takeover and ousts Chez and WhosNext.
06-09-2017 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Again, if there is a no Islamophobia rule, please make a no Satanismphobia rule. Do I really have to explain the negative stigma and prejudice against Satanism?
No, nobody cares.
06-09-2017 , 11:22 AM
i have no problem with the P forum, i just think its named improperly. they should call it the lefty lounge or something like that. its a place for leftys to hang out and socialize. theres nothing wrong with that but dont sucker people in to believing its open for actual political discussion. they allow leftys and easy targets on the right. they enjoy a good punching bag but blow their brains out when faced with an actual debate. it took me a couple hours to get banned for sexism without warning for saying "you are so susceptible to junk science propagated by womens study groups who generate confirmation bias through flawed methodology". this is a true statement and speaks to everything wrong with political discussion today. not only is denying this absurdly ignorant, but dismissing the notion as sexist immediately is comically ignorant. this isn't the place to break down all the aspects that make this type of post being censored a disaster, but it is a disaster

i obviously dont care about pc or insults. the only type of moderation i would like to see become more strict is low content posts. if someone formulates an actual thought or argument that contains insulting or offensive material, i dont care. what gets tiring is all of the low content posters contributing nothing but petty insults and empty derails. i think handing out temp bans a repeat offenders would do the forum good. 1 or 2 day timeouts would probably do the trick
06-09-2017 , 11:25 AM
To be fair your text walls are difficult to read.
06-09-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
There should never be rules about what you can and cannot say. This forum is so fake. How can you have real conversation that is sensored?

Why is everything catered to the regressive left. If there were only conservatives here we wouldn't need any rules. We could talk to each other like grown men. Unfortunately, there are too many people here who can't handle the truth.

This is my last post until all PC rules are abolished!
To be clear, there is no longer a "PC" rule. If I may make an analogy, you could think of this forum as though you were invited to a house party by an acquaintance from work, where there are a lot of people you don't know very well. You are welcome to discuss almost anything you want, but if you take a **** on the carpet the hosts might ask you to leave. In other words, there are some pretty basic rules which really only amount to asking everyone to act with some common decency.
06-09-2017 , 11:43 AM
mongidig is a transparent troll and should be permaed.
06-09-2017 , 11:43 AM
Special snowflake mongi is just triggered that he's expected to act like an adult, unlike his god emperor trump
06-09-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
although i have enjoyed and cited many well named posts, i just wanted to say well named is misguided on feminist and lgbtqia issues and will continue to be divisive. i have alwys seen well named as more of a contributer and less as a mod.well named is not nearely as well informed on these issues as me or noodle or gizmo and as you seem to think. well named can post but isnt a choice for mod. sorry.
You'll have to tell me what you disagree with me about some time. It sounds interesting.
06-09-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
To be clear, there is no longer a "PC" rule. If I may make an analogy, you could think of this forum as though you were invited to a house party by an acquaintance from work, where there are a lot of people you don't know very well. You are welcome to discuss almost anything you want, but if you take a **** on the carpet the hosts might ask you to leave. In other words, there are some pretty basic rules which really only amount to asking everyone to act with some common decency.
That sounds good. Thanks for clearing that up.
06-09-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Special snowflake mongi is just triggered that he's expected to act like an adult, unlike his god emperor trump
I'm one of the few people here who hasn't had a timeout.
06-09-2017 , 02:58 PM
And yet you're still whining
06-09-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
i have no problem with the P forum, i just think its named improperly. they should call it the lefty lounge or something like that. its a place for leftys to hang out and socialize. theres nothing wrong with that but dont sucker people in to believing its open for actual political discussion. they allow leftys and easy targets on the right. they enjoy a good punching bag but blow their brains out when faced with an actual debate. it took me a couple hours to get banned for sexism without warning for saying "you are so susceptible to junk science propagated by womens study groups who generate confirmation bias through flawed methodology". this is a true statement and speaks to everything wrong with political discussion today. not only is denying this absurdly ignorant, but dismissing the notion as sexist immediately is comically ignorant. this isn't the place to break down all the aspects that make this type of post being censored a disaster, but it is a disaster

i obviously dont care about pc or insults. the only type of moderation i would like to see become more strict is low content posts. if someone formulates an actual thought or argument that contains insulting or offensive material, i dont care. what gets tiring is all of the low content posters contributing nothing but petty insults and empty derails. i think handing out temp bans a repeat offenders would do the forum good. 1 or 2 day timeouts would probably do the trick
You would get perma'd by your own low content rule. You cannot even cite your sources lol.
06-09-2017 , 03:09 PM
Also Mat... shut this **** show down. Good lord man.
06-09-2017 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
To be clear, there is no longer a "PC" rule. If I may make an analogy, you could think of this forum as though you were invited to a house party by an acquaintance from work, where there are a lot of people you don't know very well. You are welcome to discuss almost anything you want, but if you take a **** on the carpet the hosts might ask you to leave. In other words, there are some pretty basic rules which really only amount to asking everyone to act with some common decency.
Wait. Holdup. So we can discuss racism or we can't? In a nice manner, I mean.
06-09-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This forum reminds me of an ex girlfriend.

I like girls Whom I can say anything I want around and they don't get offended. Do you guys really like being around someone who is easilly offended? There should never be rules about what you can and cannot say. This forum is so fake. How can you have real conversation that is sensored?

Why is everything catered to the regressive left. If there were only conservatives here we wouldn't need any rules. We could talk to each other like grown men. Unfortunately, there are too many people here who can't handle the truth.

This is my last post until all PC rules are abolished!

I'm pretty sure I have the record here, by far, of posts getting deleted for clowning on you f**kfaces. The part of you that isn't mouthbreathing is delusional.
06-09-2017 , 03:35 PM
We have been discussing racism. I tried to give some idea of what I think the bounds are in #56:

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Now, obviously there are many points of view about just what constitutes "racism", or "misogyny", or "Islamaphobia", and what doesn't. I assume my personal biases are well known. The intent, however, is to find some reasonable standard of judgement on what is and is not acceptable content that will allow posters to present views on contentious topics involving race, gender, immigration, terrorism and Islam (and etc.) from across the broad swath of mainstream political opinion. That is, the intent is not to enforce my personal moral judgement, or that of chezlaw or whosnext.

But, there are limits which apply not just in this forum but for the entire site, and those limits will be enforced. I used the phrase "broad swath of mainstream political opinion", and I hope that will be useful as a guide as to what the acceptable bounds will be. If I were going to add one other word of advice, it's that the list quoted above, as an elaboration on the site rules, has a common theme: you should try to avoid making dehumanizing generalizations about large groups of people. Not just members of "vulnerable groups", as before, but any groups.
So, to make an example I think posts like this are border-line:

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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
The simplest explanation is often correct. This isn't about an "entire picture". This about groups succeeding after assimilating in very few generations and those that still cry about systemic issues that just don't exist. It is a culture thing - one of opportunity vs. one of victimhood.
I am inclined to allow discussions about the role of "culture" in socio-economic stratification because a) it is a widely held view among American conservatives that "culture" explains more than discrimination and b) because not all discussions of the role of culture are problematic. Cf. the book you referenced in the Free Speech thread, which I discussed in my last reply to you.

But, to state that an entire ethnic group shares a "culture of victimhood", to deny their agency in politics by asserting that they are uniquely duped by a different group of people, to deny the existence and history of racism despite the overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary? All of that is a pretty good example of making dehumanizing over-generalizations about a group of people. it's also, of course, a standard part of contemporary racist ideology in the US, and a standard line among white supremacists. I'm not referencing it to call out JiggyMac specifically, but it just happened and it's a pretty good example of the limits of my tolerance, I think.

The house party analogy is useful here too. I think discussions about racial stratification can be productive, but people should show some common decency towards their fellow human beings.
06-09-2017 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
We have been discussing racism. I tried to give some idea of what I think the bounds are in #56:



So, to make an example I think posts like this are border-line:



I am inclined to allow discussions about the role of "culture" in socio-economic stratification because a) it is a widely held view among American conservatives that "culture" explains more than discrimination and b) because not all discussions of the role of culture are problematic. Cf. the book you referenced in the Free Speech thread, which I discussed in my last reply to you.

But, to state that an entire ethnic group shares a "culture of victimhood", to deny their agency in politics by asserting that they are uniquely duped by a different group of people, to deny the existence and history of racism despite the overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary? All of that is a pretty good example of making dehumanizing over-generalizations about a group of people. it's also, of course, a standard part of contemporary racist ideology in the US, and a standard line among white supremacists. I'm not referencing it to call out JiggyMac specifically, but it just happened and it's a pretty good example of the limits of my tolerance, I think.

The house party analogy is useful here too. I think discussions about racial stratification can be productive, but people should show some common decency towards their fellow human beings.
And, it's just stupid as ****.

I mean, we can't have a metadiscussion without admitting that fact.
06-09-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Also Mat... shut this **** show down. Good lord man.
I don't understand this sentiment. Why do you care? Don't come here if you don't like it. I enjoy, from time to time, to discuss politics. Juans assesment of the other politics forum is correct. It should be called Leftys Lounge. Ppl with alternative opinions aren't welcomed there.

If Juan truly was banned for that quote he mentioned, that's a joke. And that's why this forum is useful.
06-09-2017 , 04:04 PM
Go away gimmick boy.

This forum turned into a hang out for racist and sexist trolls who cannot even cite their sources (like Juan) instead of what it was originally for... calling each other ****heads.

It should be shutdown. If people cannot discuss issues like normal folks do in the regular P forum (including Republican posters like SL and Renodoc) then they should be SoL.
06-09-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
The house party analogy is useful here too. I think discussions about racial stratification can be productive, but people should show some common decency towards their fellow human beings.
So essentially I need to not say what I truly think anymore to post here. Is that a fair assessment?
06-09-2017 , 04:12 PM
I'm not sure if I should give points to wil for being brutally honest if he's not even aware he's being brutally honest. I'm gonna need a judges' ruling.

But good God even McCarthy didn't respond with, "No, sir, no I do not have any sense of decency left."

      
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