Whosnext and I are very happy to be welcoming Well Named as a new mod for Pv7.0.

The three of us have worked together to update the rules. Much is a clarificationj/simplification of the previous rukles but there are some bigger changes such as the end of the !!!threads - please see the sticky for the new rules.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...rules-1670588/


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So it's now a carbon copy of politics alpha, only with relaxed temp ban rules and more stringent "be nice to people" rules?

Hi. One of the conversations we've been having is about what distinguishes P from P7, and I think that conversation is somewhat ongoing and really will be determined by posters as well as mods. So I'm interested in what people think the distinction should be.

That said, I don't agree with your characterization, but I have to get on a conference call right now. I'll offer my view of the situation a little later, or possibly in the morning.

Nice addition.

I'm not sure what the distinction ought be, but here's what it is: it's a place for members exiled from the main politics forum to post about politics while the other non-exiled posters point and laugh at them.

There doesn't appear to be a way of avoiding the problem that if this sub-forum ceases to be a **** show then it ceases to have the purpose for which it was created.

I think it's a pretty fair take if you read the whosnext rules post, but i await your distinction

Just to say that the original purpose of PU is somewhat moot apart from the obvious legacy. PU died some time ago.

Yes, but when this was PU there was at least an actual purpose, not matter how silly.

There already is a politics forum that doesn't allow racism and what not. You've just stripped away the purpose of this forum and said "Well, isn't that better?". Maybe, but there's already one for non-spew.

It's like someone put you in charge of the shelf in the supermarket where they put all the damaged or near the end of their shelf-life goods, and you decided that it would be cool to use that part of the shop for brand new high quality goods*. They already have the rest of the shop for that, Pinochez.

*This does not imply that I think a forum modded by the Cheztapo will ever be "high quality".

Well, I suppose obviously, some of us think there is another purpose for this forum. It caters for a wider range of posters and a different range of topics then is really wanted in P.

For instance?

people who don't want to be banned for spewing white nationalism, and the mods that enable them

From the current/past: if posters want to talk about Peak Oil, Political discussion, conspiracies (within some limits) ... then that's fine here. Those who wish to engage on these topics and with these posters will be encouraged. Who knows what will come up in the future.

More positive engagement on these topics is the aim. That includes objecting to points in a robust manner but not going too far beyond the point being made and addressed.

Many of our small band of posters aren't banned from P. I dont see that as a defining issue anymore.

Countdown til the forum is completely dead?

I give it.... 6 days from today. Possibly 14, but I'd bet 6.

Have fun boys, lol.

Some of the new rules remind me of some of the rules in the Alpha sticky which were clearly an outgrowth of an overly ambitious start and now lie dormant for lack of enforcement. It's hard for people to learn from the past, especially when the lessons go against our ingenious ideas. I think I recall seeing a log of infractions in the alpha sticky as well. Maybe we should start a log of infractions here just so this place can even more closely mirror alpha and it's development.

I think Well Named will be a good mod. Of course, I thought the same of wookie when I first came to the forums. Wookie banished me from alpha because the pro-Israel posters just would not stop demanding it. They bleated and bleated over big bad deuces. Well Named has more depth and substance to him, so I expect him to be better than that.

LOL. The PC police have just declared martial law.

Can you produce a definition of a conspiracy which could define what isn't allowed but allows the Trump-Russia conspiracy madness? It would be hard to ban conspiracy theories since a bulk of the country seems to dived right into the extreme shallow end of one.

Deuces you wont have a problem unless you change dramatically. same for anyone who didn't get sanctioned much, before the rule change. I really dont think you will see it go in the same direct as P has.

Wil, we will see

It will be based on offensiveness more than anything else. Extremely offensive ones such as Sandy Hook are the sort that will be completely off-limits.

Some will get their own containment threads as has long been the case. The Trump-Russia issue is very different as it's such a big & current political subject.

Can we get a Satanismphobia rule? Why should Islam be the only protected religion?

although i have enjoyed and cited many well named posts, i just wanted to say well named is misguided on feminist and lgbtqia issues and will continue to be divisive. i have alwys seen well named as more of a contributer and less as a mod.well named is not nearely as well informed on these issues as me or noodle or gizmo and as you seem to think. well named can post but isnt a choice for mod. sorry.

I'm not really familiar with them, could you elaborate on this?

are you serious aceg i could go on forever, where do you want me to start?

Anywhere, I know absolutely nothing about well named's stance/history on these issues :/

It can all go here I suppose but if it's got a lot of decent content on LGTBTQ issues then it might be worthy of it's own thread