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Originally Posted by wil318466
Umm, you do realize the Israelis have nukes and no one in the area is going to do jack **** to them, right? They also have multiple ways to deliver, have them pointed at their enemies, and also at their allies. You do realize this, right?
I don't know how playable nukes are in such close quarters. I used to think like you do on that particular facet of Israel's vulnerability, like "yeah they just play the nuke card and that's game over". But as I have seen more wars unfold it is clear that you need boots on the ground to really win. Israel simply doesn't have the population to win a war against the region- not enough boots. It's one thing to nuke a civilian population. But, presumably, by the time it would take to create the need to use nukes they would be facing organized armies traveling towards them. That's not nearly so easy a nuclear target, and if the battlefield is nearby then you have to worry about the fallout onto your own population. Then I saw some extensive interviews with 5 previous Israeli Defense Ministers. Some of them also held the opinion that Israel could not win a war against the region and were worried that they came close to provoking the end of the state. If anyone on the planet knows whether or not Israel could win a war against the region it would be them.
But don't feel bad- that is your least dumb opinion on the larger topic.
It's interesting you point out that the weapons are pointed at their allies. Our security planners share that concern, and they view Israel as the biggest threat to security. The world population puts us first, with Israel in the top 5.
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Like, when they were overrun during the yom Kippur war they picked up the phone and told Nixon if he doesn't send help immediately there was going to be a "dramatic conclusion", right?
Well if they can just "nuke it and forget it" then why do they need our help all the time? During Protective Edge Israel actually ran out of bullets, so much fun they were having shooting fish in a barrel. Begging us for bullets for to shoot up a defenseless population doesn't seems unbecoming of the stature you project.
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I'm pretty shocked at what you're saying. You think the Israelis want to kill 14 year olds? Lol. They could murder as many Palestinians as they want. They could choke them any way they want, and you think they would go after children, on purpose?
They do it all the time for political reasons. You see, all they have to do is start killing kids to provoke some sort of response from the Palestinian populations they hold captive. Then they use that response to mouth rhetoric about their political high ground as they kill even more innocent people and expand the settlements. It's all about the settlements. All the occupation, the torture, the indiscriminate bombing, the use of chemical weapons, threats of nuclear weapons, convincing us to attack Iraq, it's all about their colonial enterprise. Israel is taking land that doesn't belong to them and forcing out the native population with death and destruction.
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Lol. Wtf are you even talking about dude? The Israelis aren't Canada, homie. The Israelis are bad ass mfers who just want to live in peace and have the Palestinians stop attacking them.
They want land more than peace. And they don't want the sort of peace which is stable. They want peace through security, through threats, intimidation and executing those threats through human atrocities. They don't want peace through diplomacy because they know their fundamental mission, an ethnically pure state achieved through ethnic cleansing and maintained through violence, is fundamentally immoral. And they should know that, for obvious reasons.
Diplomacy and ethnic cleansing don't pair nicely. But by now Israel has organized their whole society around violence and suppression, becoming weapons and suppression technology suppliers to the world. And conflict. They supply a lot of conflict.
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They are very aware that world support is slipping and every bad incident makes more people feel bad for the paelstinians.
And why should support be slipping? The all powerful Palestinian propaganda machine? lol