Okay as the friendly warning didn't cut it. Various timeouts and warnings are being given for LC, trolling and making it about the poster

5ive -one day timeout from this thread and final warning in all content threads
AllCowsEatgrass - Final warning in all content threads
BroadwaySushy - Final warning in all content threads
Wil - 4 day timeout from all content threads

There may be others.

Could you explain what final warning in all content threads means, cause I have no idea what you're talking about?

Read the sticky. Any questions then it belongs on the moderation thread not in a content thread about president trump

Or the obvious - discuss president trump in this thread. Don't make it about posters or troll or the forum or ...

Broadway and everyone else - same goes for you,

There are still liberals who believe trump said Mexicans are rapists in the speech you are referencing. The media did a good job trying to twist his words, but to trick such a large % of a political party into believing that lie shows the power the media has and how gullible stupid people are.

I remember arguing about what he said ITT and there were quite a few people who thought what he said was racist. I'd say ever liberal who posted ITT at that time thought it was racist or was too ashamed at his/her own party to step in and acknowledge how stupid/gullible/wrong they were.

Of course he didn't say "all Mexicans are rapists." What he said was undoubtedly racist. If you don't understand why, then that is your problem.

You think it's okay that Trump disclosed intelligence against the wishes of the nation that supplied that intelligence? Do you think that perhaps Trump's mistake might have repercussions beyond Israel being "pissed"? If you were supplying sensitive intelligence to a nation and that nation's leader was spreading that intelligence to other parties against your wishes, would you continue to share intelligence?

Trump admin to oil and gas companies: pollute away!

How Rollbacks at Scott Pruitt’s E.P.A. Are a Boon to Oil and Gas https://nyti.ms/2qFjtLe

Trump voters chose this

The dangerous gas leaks are bad for the environment, but can also be more immediately dangerous.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...home-explosion

Coming down the pike there is legislation pushed by oil and gas companies (and conservative organizations like ALEC) to criminalize even monitoring for pollution. "Data trespassing" as the corporate overlords and their slimy lawyers call it can include photographing activities of polluters. This is reminiscent of the ag-gag laws which silenced Oprah Winfrey from talking about the beef industry. We are getting to the point where (and we're already there with trade law investor settlement dispute courts) even projected profits are considered corporate property and any interference with it will either be considered theft or terrorism.

http://trib.com/news/state-and-regio...c28197e2f.html

Digression I guess, but it's what you can expect from a Trump or Pence administration.

His statement, while not specifically being "all Mexicans are rapists", was still offensive and bigoted. And in the same sense that you feel we liberals heard what we want to hear, so did conservatives, whose interpretation of that statement was 50% "those damn illegals are destroying our country" and 50% handwaving away the disgustingness of the "rapist" part.

I'd love to hear your defense of:
- outright lies about seeing "thousands" of Muslims in NJ celebrating on 9/11;
- ReTweeting a white supremacist-originated meme with completely false crime statistics that indicated virtually all homicides are committed by African-Americans;
- unfurling an "LGBTQ's For Trump" rainbow flag late in his campaign during a Colorado stop, followed by appointment of the most anti-LGBTQ Cabinet in history and his attempted pushing of a "religious freedom" EO that would destroy LGBTQ rights
- yelling "look at my African-American over there" at a rally

You can only handwave away so much.

Yet TRUMP will be welcomed with open arms but Israel in a few days. If you think this damaged Israeli-US relations significantly you are delusional. Pretty obvious that Israeli-US relations have taken a turn for the better. Do you think Israeli's were ever pissed with Obama? We don't know who in Israel is upset and who isn't. Friends can have disagreements and misunderstandings and still be friends. Do you think Israeli's were pissed because TRUMP nixed moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem? Do you condemn TRUMP's decision?

"...America's tariff commitments under the WTO are indeed lower than other countries'. In 2015 America applied an average tariff of 3.5%, compared with 4.0% for Japan, 5.1% for the EU and 9.9% for China...
In the best case, the threat of a reciprocal tax or tariff might force another country or countries to lower their tariffs. Perhaps Mr Trump could squeeze the tariff on car imports to China, currently 25%, down to the level on car imports in America, currently 2.5%, on the back of a credible threat to abandon the WTO."
The Economist, May 13th-19th 2017, p 22.

I have always suspected that Trump's goal is to lower tariffs elsewhere, rather than raise them in the U.S. If true, and accomplished, that would be a huge win.

The Economist went on to warn that there is also a risk of degenerating into "acrimonious protectionism," but so far that is merely a warning.

Challenges like asthma and cancer just make Americans stronger! Pollution will make America great again.

Wondering if you want to answer some of my questions. Any would be nice, but I'm especially interested in whether you support impeachment and why. Allan Dershowitz said that Trump isn't even being accused of any crime.

Deuces - sorry for not responding earlier.

If it's just the posters feelings/opinions about what is going on then it's generally allowed (unless it's a PC issue). If it's more specific/substantial then you can request cites. Unless and until credible sources are provided the claims shouldn't be repeated/defended - you can report them if they are.

If you want to discuss if further, can you take it up in the moderation thread please.

Care to respond to the fica post where you embarrassed yourself?

He doesn't care to, he just asked for a self-ban and can't seem to control his posting on 2p2

Re: 'What concerns you here re: Pence'


Anyone that knows Pence's stances on pretty much everything knows the answer to this. His legacy in Indiana as governor speaks volumes.

Assuming it's likely someone bounces via retirement or death in the next 3 1/2 years, this country would really prefer Trump making the next SCOTUS pick instead of Pence. I understand people don't want to look at Trump for the next 44 months, but if you're something other than a heterosexual white religious male, you don't want to look at Bill Pryor for the next 30 years.

It will break this week that the Weiner story isn't what we've been told at all. He's a pervert, but this was a coordinated hit job.

I think Trump is legitimately racist and Islamaphobic, but less so than many of his supporters. He's extremely insincere, but he does seem to be enjoying the najdi ardah.

I think he is generally very ok with anyone who treats him like he thinks he deserves to be treated.

Doesn't it seem like some of his supporters, people who have talked a lot about throwing gay people off of roofs or the Islamism of Erdogan, would be much more uncomfortable or perhaps refuse to participate in something like that because of their hatred for Muslims?

Yes I agree with that.

I imagine with trump that it shows more if he is slighted - he would take it far better from a white man.

Do you think the kind of people we are taking about are mostly hateful, fearful, ignorant or unintelligent?

Blimey, that's such a tough question. I think ignorance is a huge part of it but the other traits have developed very strongly because of many years of that ignorance. Nature matters as well though and some are more fearful/hateful by nature.

You?