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Old 03-13-2017, 04:07 AM   #176
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

I will note for the record that three people now, two of which are moderators, have been asked,

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Specifically how do links to breitbart violate the PC rule?

And not one of them has even attempted to answer the question.

You are trying to defend this rule, but you're not even attempting to defend this rule. It's indefensible.

I just wanted to state this for the record before continuing ...
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Old 03-13-2017, 04:55 AM   #177
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Of course, the PC rule is difficult to pin down

Isn't it, though?!?! Golly!


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Old 03-13-2017, 05:57 AM   #178
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

AllCowsEatGrass - you can disagree with the rulings we make as much as you like in this thread but you know links to Breitbart aren't allowed.

I also have to tell you that as a 'new' account you do not enjoy all the privileges of a regular 2+2er in Pv7.0 and are likely to get banned rather than timeouts if you break the rules. This may change if you let me know about any other account(s) you have or have had at 2+2.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:06 AM   #179
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

You just censored my criticism of Breitbart by deleting my post, which detailed how Breitbart is not a credible organization, or source of news, and you're using your position of privilege to bully me.

How specifically did my critical analysis of Breitbart violate the PC rule?
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:07 AM   #180
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Don't break the rules and you'll be fine.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:18 AM   #181
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

How specifically did I break the rule? Apparently I specifically broke the rule because you deleted two of my posts. Explain how, please.

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Old 03-13-2017, 06:31 AM   #182
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

I was having a discussion with whosnext about the PC rule, which is specifically allowed in the rule.


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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.

I presume the proper area to discuss this is the moderation thread, which is this thread, and I was discussing this exactly with whosnext. You deleted this post. Why? You are defying the only thing that is clear about the PC rule. Please restore this post; it is explicitly allowed in the rule.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:33 AM   #183
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Don't link to Breitbart. Discuss away.
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:37 AM   #184
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

How specifically does linking to Breitbart violate the PC rule?
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:45 AM   #185
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Did you know there's an ancient occult legend about this forum? There's an ancient legend that states this forum was created for evil, for Satan. Some say it's haunted. Some say it's unkillable. Some say, you're censoring me arbitrarily and unjustly, and I don't like it. There's no logical reason for it. It serves no productive purpose.
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:05 AM   #186
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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.
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Discuss away.

As I was saying, before you deleted my post ...



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Generally, to promote a healthy and viable environment in tune with the forum's rules and objectives, the moderators of every 2+2 forum decide what types of posts and links are permitted in that forum. Often the decision is not evident until a "disapproved" post or link appears and then the moderators remove the post and/or link.

In this forum, to promote a healthy and viable environment in tune with the forum's rules and objectives, the moderators have decided to not allow direct links to the Breitbart website. This decision was made in light of that website's pervasive and systematic slanting of articles to bring great offense to disadvantaged and vulnerable groups.

In short, it is the opinion of the moderators that the preponderance of material appearing on that website would violate the forum's PC rule if the material were originally posted here.

Of course, we fully expect content from that website will be referenced and discussed vigorously in this forum, especially to the extent that the content is relevant to the current government's policies. We are only prohibiting direct links to that website.

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to promote a healthy and viable environment

To promote a healthy and viable environment for this forum, which subject is politics, there needs to be a culture of logic and reason, and journalistic/publishing standards.

Do you have any experience with College or University? Have you ever been assigned to write an essay? If so, you'll notice that you are required to provide citations to support claims that you make, or to support critical analysis you make about other publications.

I have done several critical analyses in College, and I find them quite fun. On this subject, a poster in this very thread made the claim that Breitbart was a good source of information or news. I asserted that Breitbart is not a good source, and in fact that Breitbart is not a credible source of news or journalism, and provided two examples supporting my assertion.

Breitbart had published an article stating a falsehood about Global warming, and Breitbart had published another article stating a falsehood, that Donald Trump won 75% of the popular vote in a landslide popular vote victory. I provided links to publications that were critical analyses of these Breitbart publications, and I also provided links to the original Breitbart articles. This is in accordance with journalistic standards. If you do a critical analysis on a publication, you directly provide the publication as a citation. This is a journalistic standard.

Banning posting Breitbart links, by asserting they some how, magically violate the PC rule, which states:

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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.

Is absolutely preposterous.

I made a critical analysis of Breitbart by asserting they are not a credible source of information, because they report falsehoods, and I provided two examples of falsehoods they had reported, and cited directly the articles published by Breitbart, in accordance with journalistic standards, and chezlaw arbitrarily and unjustly deleted my post, under the assertion that it magically violates the PC rule, without explaining specifically how it violates the PC rule.

Can anybody out there explain how linking to Breitbart specifically violates the PC rule?

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Old 03-13-2017, 08:12 AM   #187
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

TS is back. Yay!
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:41 AM   #188
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Breitbart is an excellent news service.

Provide citations to support your claim.

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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.

chezlaw did nothing about this baseless claim. My cited and sourced post pointing out how Breitbart is not credible, because they publish false hoods, was deleted.

This post was not


at the PC rule

This is the complete opposite of academic, researched communcation/publication/discourse. Baseless claims stand, cited refutations of baseless claims are deleted.

lol indeed
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:48 AM   #189
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

AllCowsEatGrass: I'm not sure whether to give you an immediate temp ban for linking to Breitbart again. In the meantime you have a 24 hour timeout. Do not post in this thread or on the subject of Breitbart in any other thread for 1 day please
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:48 AM   #190
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

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I also have to tell you that as a 'new' account you do not enjoy all the privileges of a regular 2+2er in Pv7.0 and are likely to get banned rather than timeouts if you break the rules. This may change if you let me know about any other account(s) you have or have had at 2+2.
lol what fresh bull**** is this? You don't get special privliges on 2p2 just for having an old join date.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:49 AM   #191
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

How did that AllCows post break the PC rule exactly?
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:50 AM   #192
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

In before: "It broke the PC rule by linking to Breitbart"

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Old 03-13-2017, 08:50 AM   #193
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How specifically did I break the PC rule?

I did not link to Breitbart, I linked to a published post, hosted in ATF.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:50 AM   #194
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lol what fresh bull**** is this? You don't get special privliges on 2p2 just for having an old join date.
It's always been there. You do in this forum because regulars get so much leeway and so many new accounts are banned users and/or gimmicks.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:52 AM   #195
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How specifically did I break the PC rule?

I did not link to Breitbart, I linked to a published post, hosted in ATF.
Abuse the timeout further and it will be a temp ban.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:53 AM   #196
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

A controversial self-exiled poster not having the balls to post under his previous name is one of the least surprising things about this exchange.
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It's always been there. You do in this forum because regulars get so much leeway and so many new accounts are banned users and/or gimmicks.
This is a brand new rule you're making up on the spot bc ACEG is dunking on you. It's also a great way to discourage lurkers from getting involved.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:55 AM   #198
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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.

chezlaw,

If your position is that whether a link is banned or not, it is up to the judgement of the moderator, who decides if the post is intended to be abusive or not, then it makes absolutely no sense to delete my post.

I am detailing how Breitbart is not credible. If you think Breitbart is horrible, then you shouldn't be deleting my posts, and threatening to ban me. In other words, you are deleting my posts, silencing me, and threatening me because I described how Breitbart is not a credible organization, in a manner consistent with journalistic standards.

That's ****ed up.

What you're doing is you're arbitrarily censoring and threatening me. Why? I don't know, but there's absolutely no authorization for what you're doing, based upon the PC rule.
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

How many posts does a user have to have before he gets a special privliges status?
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

To be fair, the mods are stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea on Breitbart links.

Ban them and you restrict people's ability to refute Trumpian nonsense; allow them and P7.0 quickly becomes P8.8 as <some> swamp it with white supremacy bilge.

Edited to remove personal attack

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