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I think this is a good idea, and at least provides some semblance of accountability for the moderators. That said, the whole PC thing is incredibly vague. What is and isn't PC will change over time, and people are banned for violating PC rule. Incredibly vague, not a good rule. Low energy.

What is or isn't acceptable isn't perfectly defined and nor will it remain fixed over time - that's the reality and you're identifying a strength of the PC rule rather than a weakness.

The sanctions (which don't include bans btw) are designed taking that into account.

03-10-2017 , 01:27 PM

#127

5ive

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Chez, when I report posts it's not that I want them deleted, rather I want you to pull out Dat Green and give them a liberal dose of what's what.

Also, plz don't delete the posts above, they're my finest work. Move them if you must.

03-10-2017 , 02:50 PM

#128

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 5ive

Sorry deleted. Feel free to repost them in an appropriate thread (doesn't apply to the last one of course)

Deletion is the standard these days, sorry again.

03-10-2017 , 03:23 PM

#129

AllCowsEatGrass

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Having a murky, unclear rule that leaves a lot of room open for arbitrary decisions that affect the entire forum, imposed by two members of elevated privilege, isn't a strength. It's a weakness. Rules should be clearly defined.

Your last statement appears to contradict this. Apologies if I am misinterpreting this:

Quote:

Michael1999
Now banned from 2+2
1 May 2017 5:49. PC Violation. 1 Day Timeout from Islam thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...017-a-1646823/

It's pretty unclear, much like the PC rule.

03-10-2017 , 03:27 PM

#130

chezlaw

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I believe he was banned from 2+2 for being a previously banned poster.

BTW That's a nice clear rule but still not one that's usually applied without judgement from those with elevated privilege. Just about everything is vague on the margins.

03-10-2017 , 05:35 PM

#131

5ive

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Lol why did you just delete my post trying to help explain the PC Bias rule?

I'm trying to help you out here.

03-10-2017 , 05:42 PM

#132

chezlaw

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TS is off limits here because he has no right of reply - you know that.

The PC rule has been applied many times if you need examples.

03-10-2017 , 05:50 PM

#133

wil318466

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Can you just ban 5ive already? Jesus he's such a horrible poster. All he does is spam. I have him on ignore and he still spams me.

03-10-2017 , 11:57 PM

#134

SenorKeeed

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wil, so sorry your SAFE SPACE is being violated. Bad!

03-11-2017 , 12:30 AM

#135

5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

TS is off limits here because he has no right of reply - you know that.

The PC rule has been applied many times if you need examples.

Fair enough, was I overly cheeky? Regardless, it's still a fine of example of the rule doing good.

03-11-2017 , 09:36 AM

#136

mongidig

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I would like to recommend that if Posting links from Breitbart is not allowed then neither should links from CNN. CNN is clearly biased in their reporting against our President.

I also think the words "safe space" should no longer be allowed since it is so overly used and most often not correctly applied.

If these changes can go into affect immediately, that would be great.

Thanks.

03-11-2017 , 01:18 PM

#137

whosnext

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I just deleted a bunch of posts unrelated to the moderation of this forum. As we have stated several times, this thread serves dual purposes.

1. A place where members can report posts they feel merit moderation attention.

2. A place to share views about the rules and moderation of this forum.

This thread is NOT a generic dumping ground and will not be allowed to turn into that.

03-12-2017 , 02:01 AM

#138

Lord_Crispen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mongidig

I'd love to see a side-by-side fact-checked comparison of one week's worth of news stories published by both. This is silly.

03-12-2017 , 02:10 AM

#139

AllCowsEatGrass

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I'm of the mind that no journal or publication should be banned. It should be debated and critiqued according to the validity of the information it offers.

03-12-2017 , 11:17 AM

#140

mongidig

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

I'm of the mind that no journal or publication should be banned. It should be debated and critiqued according to the validity of the information it offers.

Absolutely!

Banning certain media is 100% wrong. However, if you're gonna do it you need to be faiir about it. Breitbart is an excellent news service.

03-12-2017 , 11:19 AM

#141

mongidig

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen

I'd love to see a side-by-side fact-checked comparison of one week's worth of news stories published by both. This is silly.

How do you know it's silly until you do the side-by-side fact-check?

03-12-2017 , 12:04 PM

#142

wil318466

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Because obviously reading CNN or any news from Yahoo's front page is superior.

03-12-2017 , 04:27 PM

#143

Black Peter

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If we're banning fake news, then we should block anything that Trump says.

03-12-2017 , 04:35 PM

#144

chezlaw

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Anything that trump says is news

03-12-2017 , 04:52 PM

#145

Black Peter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Anything that trump says is news

Yes, but WHAT he says is fake news most of the time.

03-12-2017 , 05:55 PM

#146

batair

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Whether anyone likes it or not breitbart is relevant (trumps policies come from them...) and to ignore that relevance and ban them is dangerous. Sticking heads in the sand is no way to fight, challenging it is.

03-12-2017 , 07:57 PM

#147

AllCowsEatGrass

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Quote:

Originally Posted by batair

Great post, couldn't agree more!

03-12-2017 , 08:00 PM

#148

chezlaw

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Just to be clear.

1) We're not banning breitbart - we don't have that power

2) We're not ignoring them or preventing their content being addressed

3) The links are banned because of the PC rule. It's not because the site is partisan.

03-12-2017 , 08:13 PM

#149

aoFrantic

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Mong, can you cite a CNN story that has been false and not retracted lately? I mean, brietbart posting the "birth control makes women crazy and unattractive" article is only like two years old.