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Old 03-10-2017, 05:19 AM   #126
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

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I think this is a good idea, and at least provides some semblance of accountability for the moderators. That said, the whole PC thing is incredibly vague. What is and isn't PC will change over time, and people are banned for violating PC rule. Incredibly vague, not a good rule. Low energy.
What is or isn't acceptable isn't perfectly defined and nor will it remain fixed over time - that's the reality and you're identifying a strength of the PC rule rather than a weakness.

The sanctions (which don't include bans btw) are designed taking that into account.
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Old 03-10-2017, 01:27 PM   #127
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Chez, when I report posts it's not that I want them deleted, rather I want you to pull out Dat Green and give them a liberal dose of what's what.

Also, plz don't delete the posts above, they're my finest work. Move them if you must.
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:50 PM   #128
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Chez, when I report posts it's not that I want them deleted, rather I want you to pull out Dat Green and give them a liberal dose of what's what.

Also, plz don't delete the posts above, they're my finest work. Move them if you must.
Sorry deleted. Feel free to repost them in an appropriate thread (doesn't apply to the last one of course)

Deletion is the standard these days, sorry again.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:23 PM   #129
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What is or isn't acceptable isn't perfectly defined and nor will it remain fixed over time - that's the reality and you're identifying a strength of the PC rule rather than a weakness.

The sanctions (which don't include bans btw) are designed taking that into account.

Having a murky, unclear rule that leaves a lot of room open for arbitrary decisions that affect the entire forum, imposed by two members of elevated privilege, isn't a strength. It's a weakness. Rules should be clearly defined.

Your last statement appears to contradict this. Apologies if I am misinterpreting this:

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It's pretty unclear, much like the PC rule.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:27 PM   #130
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I believe he was banned from 2+2 for being a previously banned poster.

BTW That's a nice clear rule but still not one that's usually applied without judgement from those with elevated privilege. Just about everything is vague on the margins.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:35 PM   #131
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Lol why did you just delete my post trying to help explain the PC Bias rule?

I'm trying to help you out here.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:42 PM   #132
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TS is off limits here because he has no right of reply - you know that.

The PC rule has been applied many times if you need examples.
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:50 PM   #133
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Can you just ban 5ive already? Jesus he's such a horrible poster. All he does is spam. I have him on ignore and he still spams me.
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:57 PM   #134
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

wil, so sorry your SAFE SPACE is being violated. Bad!
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:30 AM   #135
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TS is off limits here because he has no right of reply - you know that.

The PC rule has been applied many times if you need examples.
Fair enough, was I overly cheeky? Regardless, it's still a fine of example of the rule doing good.
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Old 03-11-2017, 09:36 AM   #136
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I would like to recommend that if Posting links from Breitbart is not allowed then neither should links from CNN. CNN is clearly biased in their reporting against our President.

I also think the words "safe space" should no longer be allowed since it is so overly used and most often not correctly applied.

If these changes can go into affect immediately, that would be great.

Thanks.
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:18 PM   #137
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

I just deleted a bunch of posts unrelated to the moderation of this forum. As we have stated several times, this thread serves dual purposes.

1. A place where members can report posts they feel merit moderation attention.

2. A place to share views about the rules and moderation of this forum.

This thread is NOT a generic dumping ground and will not be allowed to turn into that.
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:01 AM   #138
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I would like to recommend that if Posting links from Breitbart is not allowed then neither should links from CNN. CNN is clearly biased in their reporting against our President.

I also think the words "safe space" should no longer be allowed since it is so overly used and most often not correctly applied.

If these changes can go into affect immediately, that would be great.

Thanks.
I'd love to see a side-by-side fact-checked comparison of one week's worth of news stories published by both. This is silly.
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Old 03-12-2017, 02:10 AM   #139
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

I'm of the mind that no journal or publication should be banned. It should be debated and critiqued according to the validity of the information it offers.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:17 AM   #140
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I'm of the mind that no journal or publication should be banned. It should be debated and critiqued according to the validity of the information it offers.
Absolutely!

Banning certain media is 100% wrong. However, if you're gonna do it you need to be faiir about it. Breitbart is an excellent news service.
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Old 03-12-2017, 11:19 AM   #141
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I'd love to see a side-by-side fact-checked comparison of one week's worth of news stories published by both. This is silly.
How do you know it's silly until you do the side-by-side fact-check?
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:04 PM   #142
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Because obviously reading CNN or any news from Yahoo's front page is superior.
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Old 03-12-2017, 04:27 PM   #143
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

If we're banning fake news, then we should block anything that Trump says.
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Old 03-12-2017, 04:35 PM   #144
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Anything that trump says is news
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Old 03-12-2017, 04:52 PM   #145
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Anything that trump says is news
Yes, but WHAT he says is fake news most of the time.
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:55 PM   #146
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Whether anyone likes it or not breitbart is relevant (trumps policies come from them...) and to ignore that relevance and ban them is dangerous. Sticking heads in the sand is no way to fight, challenging it is.
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Old 03-12-2017, 07:57 PM   #147
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Whether anyone likes it or not breitbart is relevant (trumps policies come from them...) and to ignore that relevance and ban them is dangerous. Sticking heads in the sand is no way to fight, challenging it is.

Great post, couldn't agree more!

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Old 03-12-2017, 08:00 PM   #148
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Just to be clear.

1) We're not banning breitbart - we don't have that power

2) We're not ignoring them or preventing their content being addressed

3) The links are banned because of the PC rule. It's not because the site is partisan.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:13 PM   #149
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Mong, can you cite a CNN story that has been false and not retracted lately? I mean, brietbart posting the "birth control makes women crazy and unattractive" article is only like two years old.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:14 PM   #150
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Re: Politics v7.0 Moderation thread

Specifically how do links to breitbart violate the PC rule?
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