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03-16-2017 , 11:21 PM
Yes, back to TROLL MANSION.
03-16-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Yes, back to TROLL MANSION.
This is a moderation thread. WTF?
03-17-2017 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I'm a fan of einbert, but I don't think it's an inaccurate criticism of him that he's sometimes gone for quantity over quality, and with the formatting of tweets it can definitely make threads more difficult to read when lots of them are posted.
A lot of back-and-forth about the einbert paradox ensues...

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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
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ALSO, in probably crazy ideas, a monthly drinking game where we PM phrases we're likely to hear from posters would be BUKO FUN, and we'd have a gangbusters time!
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's different here. <snip>
Fun is good and we have a drinking thread. Can you set out how it would work in the drinking thread and I'll peruse it over a few beers.
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
chez, thought of the drinking game!!!

I call it TROLL MANSION

Participants are asked to make a gimmick account of a previously banned poster. Then it becomes a whodunnit with questions and answers involving drinks. Last one remaining undiscovered is WINNER!!!

This can all be done in a separate thread. Also, if previously banned posters is not desirable then we could do gimmick's of each other.
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
You in on troll mansion or not?
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
The fight for the liberation of my people is never trolling.
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Yes, back to TROLL MANSION.
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This is a moderation thread. WTF?
Anyway, chez wanted a game suggestion not taking to my suggestion of nudging einy a little bit on twitterstorms until a phenomenon called peak hilarity ensues. AND this is the game I came up with. Oh I could put it in the drink thread. But it does relate to modding. My bad.
03-17-2017 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
A lot of back-and-forth about the einbert paradox ensues...















Anyway, chez wanted a game suggestion not taking to my suggestion of nudging einy a little bit on twitterstorms until a phenomenon called peak hilarity ensues. AND this is the game I came up with. Oh I could put it in the drink thread. But it does relate to modding. My bad.
Seconded
03-17-2017 , 02:06 AM
I'm not getting paid to teach people how synonyms work.


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Originally Posted by whosnext
mongidig,

You are badly and intentionally mischaracterizing the forum's "citation" rule above, how it is interpreted and how it is implemented.

Generally speaking opinions and viewpoints are not subject to the citation rule. Refutable statements used to bolster an argument are subject to the citation rule. And if a refutable statement used to bolster an argument is challenged by others and the original poster does not provide adequate citation, then the original poster cannot repeat or defend the original claim in subsequent posts.

Also, while we are attempting to minimize the amount of name-calling and personal attackery in Content threads, responses to offensive posts may occasionally cross that line. My view is that this type of blowback is a natural reaction to offensive posts and will be tolerated to some degree and in small doses.
03-17-2017 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I'm not getting paid to teach people how synonyms work.
See, an ancap mod would be on the beer standard, or bitcoin at least. I prefer beer.
03-17-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
please link me to this new citation rule? thanks
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Welcome to Pv7.0.

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7) Citations. If posters make a claim without a citation in a Content thread and are then challenged by other posters then the initial post will not be deleted but the claim should not be repeated or defended without a credible source being provided. Where it's a nonPC claim then the initial post must, as a minimum, be accompanied with an appropriately credible or politically significant source from the beginning - this applies to all threads.
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03-17-2017 , 09:36 AM
I wonder if the whiners actually think Chez will change his mind? He seems pretty intent on doing things his own way. There are minor issues, but so far it seems fairly decent here.
03-17-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
To be clear, when I said "offensive" above, I meant it in the context and rules of the forum in question. Since I have become a mod of this forum a few weeks ago, I have read dozens of posts I found offensive in the general sense of the word, but only few actually merited deletion.

As this is a political forum in a highly charged time, many forum posts will be considered "offensive" by members of the other end of the political spectrum. If we deleted all of those posts, there would be nothing left.

To tie it all together, I find the charge that in my time as a mod here that I am in any way a participant in a "gaslighting act" highly offensive. I have no seen evidence of that phenomenon in my time as mod here.

If anybody really believes that any mod decisions are made in that spirit, they should report it in this thread, report it via the usual channel, PM me or chezlaw directly, post it in ATF, or PM/email MatS, and the issue will be investigated fully.
What is this spew? Juan's post was fairly mundane, my response was a violation of nothing (but an important question in the context of the discussion), and meanwhile a few posts up we have someone spewing hatred of transgender persons.

All I'm asking is for General Pinochez to maybe read the page before he starts arbitrarily deleting posts and before the mods start pretending that they're doing consistent work to keep things PC and inoffensive.
03-17-2017 , 10:37 AM
There was no arbitrary deleting. Juan's post was reported and most such posts will be deleted if reported. Replies are also frequently deleted.

Again I suggest (and request) that you report posts you have an issue with.
03-17-2017 , 10:39 AM
Cool, how about all those posts where I ask you to explain how linking to brietbart violates the pc rule and you ignore me? I have an issue with that.
03-17-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
What is this spew? Juan's post was fairly mundane, my response was a violation of nothing (but an important question in the context of the discussion), and meanwhile a few posts up we have someone spewing hatred of transgender persons.

All I'm asking is for General Pinochez to maybe read the page before he starts arbitrarily deleting posts and before the mods start pretending that they're doing consistent work to keep things PC and inoffensive.
Wow, you are really a jackass. I tried to explain something to you and you insult me in return.

Maybe I need to spell it out to you in simpler terms so there is no further misunderstanding. This forum typically has many ongoing threads each with many posts per day. A moderator is not reading each and every post as it is posted in order to make real-time decisions as to whether each and every post is "objectionable".

That would be beyond silly. Moderators have lives. They do not spend 24 hours a day on 2+2. They do not spend 100% of their time on 2+2 in the Politics v7.0 forum. And until recently there was just one moderator (now there are but two).

I have previously explained that the proper term we should be using is "violative", not "objectionable". Objectionable in this highly charged political climate, especially in a forum with both High Content and Low Content threads, has little meaning (or rather is too general of a term). Violative posts merit sanction from warning to deletion to timeouts as they violate the forum's rules in some way.

The typical path by which violative posts come to the attention of the moderators is via post notification reports. When a post is reported, a PM/email is sent to all the moderators of the forum. At their next opportunity, the moderators look into the possible violation and respond accordingly.

Regarding the incident you seem to be upset about, I have already mentioned that many times if a post is deemed to merit deletion, subsequent posts that quote the original post are also deleted as part of the clean-up.

Of course, moderators can and do review posts as they peruse the forum in their normal course of events. It would not be unusual for a moderator to identify posts they deem violative and to then delete them.

In either case, the fact that some other posts that a member may find objectionable are not deleted is not dispositive in determining where the "objectionable" line is drawn. I imagine that this is obvious but maybe it bears stating.

I hope my explanation has been at least somewhat helpful.
03-17-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Cool, how about all those posts where I ask you to explain how linking to brietbart violates the pc rule and you ignore me? I have an issue with that.
Below is the answer. You might not like the answer, but this is the answer. You can ask the same question a million times and this would still be the answer.

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Originally Posted by whosnext
Generally, to promote a healthy and viable environment in tune with the forum's rules and objectives, the moderators of every 2+2 forum decide what types of posts and links are permitted in that forum. Often the decision is not evident until a "disapproved" post or link appears and then the moderators remove the post and/or link.

In this forum, to promote a healthy and viable environment in tune with the forum's rules and objectives, the moderators have decided to not allow direct links to the Breitbart website. This decision was made in light of that website's pervasive and systematic slanting of articles to bring great offense to disadvantaged and vulnerable groups.

In short, it is the opinion of the moderators that the preponderance of material appearing on that website would violate the forum's PC rule if the material were originally posted here.

Of course, we fully expect content from that website will be referenced and discussed vigorously in this forum, especially to the extent that the content is relevant to the current government's policies. We are only prohibiting direct links to that website.
03-17-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Wow, you are really a jackass. I tried to explain something to you and you insult me in return.
Chez, please do something about this post. It violates the rules of this thread afaik. TIA
03-17-2017 , 01:46 PM
So if Steve Bannon, an indisputably important and influential person, were to write an opinion piece that he publishes on Breitbart, it could not be discussed or linked to in this forum. Absurd. Can other statements made by Bannon be linked to in this forum? You're just banning linking to anything he publishes on his website?

Breitbart played an important role in the presidential election. Breitbart is an influential and important news source. You are providing a set of guidelines for bigots to make their bigotry less obvious, which is the opposite of what should happen. You're saying, hey, bigots, when you link to Breitbart you're making it obvious what you're all about. Don't do that. Be more subtle. Here's how you do that. Oops, you made another mistake. Don't do that either.

All you are doing is making it less likely for bigots to have their awful views confronted because you're giving them a useful set of heuristic rules to make their posting (not their actual views) less heinous. Not sure about you but that certainly seems to be chez's purpose here. That's certainly the effect.
03-17-2017 , 01:47 PM
Not Safe To YT
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03-17-2017 , 01:54 PM
Also that isn't even an explanation.

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In this forum, to promote a healthy and viable environment in tune with the forum's rules and objectives, the moderators have decided to not allow direct links to the Breitbart website. This decision was made in light of that website's pervasive and systematic slanting of articles to bring great offense to disadvantaged and vulnerable groups.

In short, it is the opinion of the moderators that the preponderance of material appearing on that website would violate the forum's PC rule if the material were originally posted here.
You're just saying it violates the PC rule. There is no explanation. Not at all surprising, since the PC rule has never ever been explained at all. Except that you can't say gay or n*gger but you can say ****** or bitches.

You're really realizing the dream of conservatives to make racism and bigotry just a list of words you can't say and sites you can't link to.
03-17-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Also that isn't even an explanation.



You're just saying it violates the PC rule. There is no explanation. Not at all surprising, since the PC rule has never ever been explained at all. Except that you can't say gay or n*gger but you can say ****** or bitches.
It is quite sad that the "non-PC" mods allow the use of the word ******.

03-17-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
It is quite sad that the "non-PC" mods allow the use of the word ******.

03-17-2017 , 02:05 PM
Just to see what would happen, I reported what seems like a blatantly sexist post:

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Woman as soon as she walks through the door says - "oh my god, you won't believe what happened at work today. It was unbelievable. X and x happened. And this girl Jennifer (insert any name) was involved. But before I explain what happened let me tell you more about Jennifer and how she is. "

Girl continues the story and man listens quietly, being supportive. When story is over, man suggests ways where the situation can be fixed. Woman rejects all ideas because they don't really want suggestions or solutions, they just want their man to listen to them vent.

It usually takes a few years for men to learn this lesson. Just stand there and stfu and listen. That's all they want.

Switch scenario - man has many big changes at his company and many meetings about those changes that day at his job. Man walks through the front door and his woman asks him how his day at work was.
And nothing came of it.
03-17-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
So if Steve Bannon, an indisputably important and influential person, were to write an opinion piece that he publishes on Breitbart, it could not be discussed or linked to in this forum. Absurd. Can other statements made by Bannon be linked to in this forum? You're just banning linking to anything he publishes on his website?

Breitbart played an important role in the presidential election. Breitbart is an influential and important news source. You are providing a set of guidelines for bigots to make their bigotry less obvious, which is the opposite of what should happen. You're saying, hey, bigots, when you link to Breitbart you're making it obvious what you're all about. Don't do that. Be more subtle. Here's how you do that. Oops, you made another mistake. Don't do that either.

All you are doing is making it less likely for bigots to have their awful views confronted because you're giving them a useful set of heuristic rules to make their posting (not their actual views) less heinous. Not sure about you but that certainly seems to be chez's purpose here. That's certainly the effect.
It's possible to talk about Bannon without directly linking to his website, as in fact I am doing so right now.
03-17-2017 , 02:07 PM
Bitches aren't a vulnerable protected group you ******
03-17-2017 , 02:09 PM
Never a rat like Donnie Brasco though, cause ain't no ho in me.
03-17-2017 , 02:32 PM
whosnext, thank you for offering the consideration of violative as a basis to qualify content. Keen.
03-17-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
It is quite sad that the "non-PC" mods allow the use of the word ******.

People may cling to their argument and insult habits, what can we say about them?

      
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