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03-15-2017 , 10:08 AM
oh btw chezlaw, on a totally unrelated note.

I didn't know if you were aware or not, but your conclusion does not logically follow your premise.


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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome.

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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Do not post in this thread or on the subject of Breitbart in any other thread for 1 day please

Your conclusion does not logically follow your premise. Why do you consistently act in an illogical manner?
03-15-2017 , 10:09 AM
Let me ask you more specifically about the PC rule. How would you describe the spirit of the rule? Would you agree that this is generally the spirit of the rule?


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It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups.
03-15-2017 , 10:12 AM
Yes but the mods also make decisions on which sites to ban links to. Consider that as in addition to your above quote.
03-15-2017 , 10:13 AM
I have some sympathy ACEG and don't think you should have been excluded from this thread cos it's bollocks to give someone a timeout from a moderation thread but

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This isn't censorship of ideas.
isn't the premise of an argument to which

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Do not post in this thread or on the subject of Breitbart in any other thread for 1 day please
Is a conclusion.
03-15-2017 , 10:15 AM
How so?
03-15-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dereds
I have some sympathy ACEG and don't think you should have been excluded from this thread cos it's bollocks to give someone a timeout from a moderation thread but
I dont see any more reasonable alternative if ACEG links to breitbart despite being specifically told not to. Hopefully it wont happen again.
03-15-2017 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I dont see any more reasonable alternative if ACEG links to breitbart despite being specifically told not to. Hopefully it wont happen again.

Are you seriously using this word? Is this a joke? It's got to be. It's all a huge joke.


OK chezlaw, you got it. Let's be specific. Let's be VERY specific.


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2. The forum will have a PC bias. This isn't censorship of ideas. It means posters making an effort to avoid offence to vulnerable groups. Some very extreme topics won't be allowed but in general if there's some political merit to the topic then it's welcome in this forum. What is or isn't PC will change with time - discussion about it will be welcome

Specifically, you said the following:

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Originally Posted by chezlaw
What is or isn't acceptable isn't perfectly defined and nor will it remain fixed over time - that's the reality and you're identifying a strength of the PC rule rather than a weakness.

The sanctions (which don't include bans btw) are designed taking that into account.

And then, you said this:


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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Just to be clear.

1) We're not banning breitbart - we don't have that power

2) We're not ignoring them or preventing their content being addressed

3) The links are banned because of the PC rule. It's not because the site is partisan.
Which is completely illogical.



And then I claimed Breitbart was not credible because they publish false hoods, provided two examples wherein I cited the original source, in accordance with journalistic standards, and you deleted it, and then started getting all mommy daddy. I asked you why you deleted my post, and you were asked multiple times, by multiple people, SPECIFICALLY


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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Specifically how do links to breitbart violate the PC rule?

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
You just censored my criticism of Breitbart by deleting my post, which detailed how Breitbart is not a credible organization, or source of news, and you're using your position of privilege to bully me.

How specifically did my critical analysis of Breitbart violate the PC rule?

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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
How specifically did I break the rule? Apparently I specifically broke the rule because you deleted two of my posts. Explain how, please.


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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
How specifically does linking to Breitbart violate the PC rule?


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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
How did that AllCows post break the PC rule exactly?


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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
How specifically did I break the PC rule?

I did not link to Breitbart, I linked to a published post, hosted in ATF.


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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Chez -- can you explain how cow's post about brietvart violated the pc rule?


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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
You haven't explained how linking to brietbart violates the pc rule at all as far as I can tell. But by all means, keep "encouraging discussion" about the "pc rule" while steadfastly refusing to answer basic questions about it.

And then you went on to ban me, while I was quoting the only thing that is SPECIFIC about the PC rule; the SPECIFIC right discuss it.



So have at it, chez! We're all waiting to hear you talk all about specifics!


03-15-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I dont see any more reasonable alternative if ACEG links to breitbart despite being specifically told not to. Hopefully it wont happen again.
Thing is if this happens elsewhere he brings the discussion here, if it happens here he takes the discussion? In this case I think you should probably look for a different sanction allowing him to discuss that sanction here.
03-15-2017 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dereds
Thing is if this happens elsewhere he brings the discussion here, if it happens here he takes the discussion? In this case I think you should probably look for a different sanction allowing him to discuss that sanction here.

Ahem, she. Her.

And yes, she would very much love to discuss the PC rule, which is what she's been trying to do for the last seventy posts or so. chezlaw has a really hard time answering questions though apparently, and it's really difficult to have a conversation when someone won't bother to answer basic questions about the rules they're supposed to be enforcing fairly
03-15-2017 , 10:44 AM
Sorry my apologies.
03-15-2017 , 10:45 AM
As I said chezlaw, if you don't want to talk about specifics, then let me ask you what you would say the spirit of the rule is?
03-15-2017 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dereds
Thing is if this happens elsewhere he brings the discussion here, if it happens here he takes the discussion? In this case I think you should probably look for a different sanction allowing him to discuss that sanction here.
and what if ACEG then links to breitbart during that discussion?
03-15-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
As I said chezlaw, if you don't want to talk about specifics, then let me ask you what you would say the spirit of the rule is?
The decision by the mods on which sites to ban links to is in addition to the spirit that you quoted.

There aren' t really any more ways I can tell you this. We do ban links to certain sites and breitbart is currently one of those - with regard to breitbart link, that is very very specific by any standards.
03-15-2017 , 11:11 AM
Why Breitbart?
03-15-2017 , 11:15 AM
You get the idea now? Links to some sites are banned and it's the mods who make the judgement on which ones?

and that that currently and very specifically includes breitbart?
03-15-2017 , 11:18 AM
Why Breitbart?
03-15-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Your first question has been answered several times now and I will not repeat myself. You can review the prior answers given in the thread above.

We don't expect any forum posts to contain links to the Breitbart website as the prohibition has received a fair amount of notice both in this thread and at least one of the major ongoing forum threads.

In the event a member includes a link to that website in a post in this forum, the link will be removed. In extreme cases the post itself could be removed though this would not be the norm. Additional moderation action would not be likely except in the case of subsequent links by the same poster.
i suggest you reread some of this thread not you have hopefully fully understood that links to breibart are specifically banned. Sorry but othrrwise I think we are going round and round in circles.
03-15-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
OP, the reason people don't want white nationalist views here isn't a matter of exposure. Have you not seen the political landscape of the last 2 years? How can you have the same view that Brietbart should be allowed because of the prominence of Bannon and Miller while stating neo nazis are irrelevant? Do you not see the contradiction?
I'm semi-grunching and I don't think OP is going this direction, but specifically neo-nazis ARE sorta quaint and irrelevant (they wear bright patches so you can spot them a mile away!). What ISN'T irrelevant are most of the other white supremacist ideologies, which Bannon and Miller et al follow, all the flavors of dominionism and christian identitism and nativism and kinism. But, this is also why Stormfront isn't a neo-nazi website anymore, rather they're a catch-all for everything white supremacist now.

This is really just an aside to prevent any confusion going forward.
03-15-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
i suggest you reread some of this thread not you have hopefully fully understood that links to breibart are specifically banned. Sorry but othrrwise I think we are going round and round in circles.

Can we see the conversations you two had when discussing and ultimately choosing to ban Breitbart links?


I understand that Breitbart links are banned. Why are they banned? Who's decision was this? What specific conversations was this discussed in?

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 03-15-2017 at 11:35 AM. Reason: We aren't going in circles, we're going nowhere because you won't answer questions.
03-15-2017 , 11:39 AM
Great. i'm very happy that you do acknowledge that breitbart links are specifically banned.

No you cannot see our conversations. I can assure you that it was discussed, that we are in agreement and that it is a joint decision.
03-15-2017 , 11:42 AM
Are we good with letting monistat spew about the awesome wonders of eugenics, and troll in general, or what?

I would report the posts but it's literally all of them in the trump thread.
03-15-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Great. i'm very happy that you do acknowledge that breitbart links are specifically banned.

No you cannot see our conversations. I can assure you that it was discussed, that we are in agreement and that it is a joint decision.

Why do you not answer the questions you are asked?

WHY SHOULD IT BE THE DECISION OF JUST THE TWO OF YOU?
03-15-2017 , 12:13 PM
hey 5ive, would you like to come chat in ATF 7.0?


03-15-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Why do you not answer the questions you are asked?

WHY SHOULD IT BE THE DECISION OF JUST THE TWO OF YOU?
That's how it works at 2+2. The mods of each subforum decide matters such as which sites can be linked to or not.
03-15-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Are we good with letting monistat spew about the awesome wonders of eugenics, and troll in general, or what?

I would report the posts but it's literally all of them in the trump thread.
Yes. Bans are issued for minor infractions during discussions of the rules. Bans are not for repeatedly doubling down on precisely the views that removing Breitbart links is supposed to avoid. Being racist, homophobic, sexist, transphobic, or being pro priest rape, is all still okay under General Pinochez's rules. Just ignore the rules that would the impression otherwise.

That's why ACEG got the honour of Pinochez's first ban, and the usual suspects continue to spew Breitbart-logic everywhere.

      
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