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He personally threatened me with violence, and Mat contacted him to discuss. (I didn't report, either someone else did or Mat read it and acted on his own accord.)

But anyway, point being he's the last person that should get any kind of benefit of the doubt in this regard.

This is where it gets weird for me as I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt simply BECAUSE he's always done this.

Like, we could start a club of people that have been personally threatened by wil. Let me find a series of posts from a few years back.

Last edited by 5ive; 06-25-2017 at 12:19 AM.

06-25-2017 , 03:11 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

why would trolly and noodle be adding value to the thread repeating the contentious refusal to let go they usually do?

Nah mean,

How about you let your BruceZ butthurt go and head back to SMP, where no one will ever call anyone a racist?

06-25-2017 , 03:25 AM

#2154

wil318466

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Just so it's clear I'm not lying. Starting around post 360 in the Milo thread. (Sorry, can't multi post because the thread is locked. Also, it's hard to say if and/or how many posts Chez deleted. I can't find the specific threat that set off the series of posts below but it's clear Mat and Chez both had a problem with it.)

Mat to Wil: "i, for one, am not so thrilled about koreans talking about nukes. and answer my pm."

chez: "What's not allowed is bringing up other posters familly as a way to insult, attack, troll or annoy them. Wil: Nothing that seems like a threat of violence please."

Wil: "Yep. I shouldn't have said it, it was in response to Jbrochu's idiocy. I'll stop it."

me: "Just so it's clear - I did not report or ask anyone to talk to Wil about his lame threats."

Lol. This couldn't be further from the truth at all and I welcome Mat to weigh in on it. Mat's comment was about his interpretation of a comment I made. The funny thing about all of this was the comment wasn't about him at all. He asked me why I insulted him, his father, and Mason - which I never did. We spoke about it in PM and he realized I wasn't saying that at all, it was a misunderstanding. You literally had nothing to do with it, Jbitcho.

What's funny about it is you think you did. Lol, no one gives a flying **** about you.

06-25-2017 , 04:00 AM

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5ive

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Oh **** I almost forgot about this.

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Originally Posted by 5ive

...

Like, we could start a club of people that have been personally threatened by wil. Let me find a series of posts from a few years back.

I've wondered if this was the beginning of the end for ol' wil in P.

Multiquote bomb incoming. Duck and cover.

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Originally Posted by 5ive

I lol'd but seriously I hope this doesn't happen as I believe Wil is an overall boon to these threads. He's a perfect case study and the genuine article because I don't believe he's just playacting the part of an open minded person on the internet, realizing it's a good look.

I do believe believe he lives in an integrated part of philly, has black friends, considers them the "good ones" and doesn't see anything wrong with that belief, and this is only the tip of the iceberg. Despite posting evidence I believe he does actually consider himself a paragon of colorblind virtue and is so lacking the self-awareness that would even allow a degree of cognitive dissonance to be introduced.

He's not the only one, and these are the people responsible for the state of race relations right now, but he is the one granting us semi-intimate access to the inner workings.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

The next time you are in Philadelphia, let me know when you're here. You can have an avid discussion with my "good black friends", calling me a racist in a public place, and we'll see what happens after that.

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Holy **** wil. Holy ****.

What's gonna happen after that? We're gonna have a polite yet rigorous philosophical debate at a coffee shop?

Wait no... are you saying they're gonna beat me up? Is that the implication, because black people are savage beasts? You can't have it both ways, either these blacks are the good ones or the bad ghetto ratchet ones.

Also, and I'm kinda hating that the professional gambler in me is winning out over the scientist, but I will totally take this bet:

Earlier itt you were dropping the 90% figure and now you're emboldened and embiggened with what sounds like 100%, so draw up some terms and let's bet.

p.s. Also one of my best friends lives in Philly so there's a strong chance I'll be out there within 6 months. You can maybe pay me in person, and if the rigorous philosophical discussion turns into disorderly conduct this friend is a lawyer, so I'll have that base covered.

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Originally Posted by rugby

Lolllllll

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Originally Posted by wil318466

lol you think I'd beat someone up over an argument over the internet? wtf is wrong with you. I was implying that there'd be plenty of my black friends who would defend my position (of being a racist).

I'll even pay the bar tab.

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Originally Posted by rugby

Aaaaand walk it back now... Lol

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Wil, when you tell someone "try saying that to my face and we'll see what happens" you know that has never once in history meant "We will have a civil discourse about the reasons why you are wrong," right?

It's just an insult to more intelligent people than you to suggest such.

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

Hey guys, I'm not saying I'd attack you if you called me racist in real life. I'm just saying there's consequences to using such insults in real life. Like me picking up your bar tab! Yeah...that's what I meant...

/wil

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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly

Why not just print out this thread and have them read it?

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

lol for once the entertainment of reading this page has made me rather delighted that wil didn't leave us when he said he was going to.

also A+ c-walk reference

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Silly, veiled threats like this aren't helping your cause.

You have to start to understand that people accused of racist attitudes using the "I have black friends" line aren't helping their cause, either. The idea is simply to have friends, not to have black friends or white friends.

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Dude, c'mon. stop trying to backtrack here. You're not convincing anyone. As stated earlier, the "we'll see what happens" line only means one thing.

Lol.

06-25-2017 , 06:28 AM

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jalfrezi

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Great, more threats of violence in this forum from the same person. But under chezlaw even the new members of the cheztapo will be looking the other way again when it happened.

Maybe he should be quarantined in a no holds barred thread or forum of his own, with everyone able to visit and engage with him there, at their own peril. That way 2+2 keep their wilspew traffic, which is all they seem to care about.

06-25-2017 , 09:11 AM

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Jbrochu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

Fair enough on the Mat thing - but it happened right after your post which Chez ended up warning you about a few posts later, so it was fairly easy for me to assume that Mat's request for a discussion was about that post.

But that doesn't get you off the hook for making the threat. You cared so little about me that you made a threat which you subsequently apologized for with the excuse that, "jbrochu hurt your feelies" so you couldn't help yourself.

****ing snowflake.

06-25-2017 , 02:18 PM

#2158

well named

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I moved mongidig's post and responses to the discussion about discussions thread, since they seem to be more about how posters have discussions and less about modding.

06-25-2017 , 10:42 PM

#2159

wil318466

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Originally Posted by well named

I won't say aye quite yet. I will wait a bit longer to see how stuff shakes out re: mod forum discussions.

P.S. the rest of you didn't see these posts. :P

Fwiw I think you're doing a fine job. I say the same for Chez.

I just think the philosophy is wrong. But, that's another discussion.

06-25-2017 , 10:53 PM

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wil318466

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

****ing snowflake.

Like with everything, you have it exactly reversed. I'm not a snowflake at all. In fact I'd argue I have the thickest skin of anyone in this forum. I do not run to mat or Chez or well named. I do not complain in ATF. I do not ask for help from anyone, I defend myself by myself. Don't believe me, ask mat and well named and Chez in this thread.

You people are the ones who cry and ***** and are trying as a group to have this forum closed down. Your side lies and attacks me in every way possible, insulting my family, welching on bets, making things up about me. The behavior of your side is absolutely deplorable.

The latest complaint is just hilariousness. Threats of violence. Lol, I'm a 41 year old office worker with a weight problem. Am I really threatening any of you dorks?

Jesus. It seems any type of behavior is acceptable from you people in order to silence opposition. It's an embarrassment. How do you sleep at night?

06-25-2017 , 11:16 PM

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Dip****s all of you, except the mods. Y'all mods of this joint are cool.

06-26-2017 , 11:58 AM

#2162

well named

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I have moved this new conversation about Wil to the LC thread.

06-26-2017 , 02:22 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

Yeah, I agree that it will probably be fine although obviously we will need to see the implementation of it to be sure.

This is all fairly irrelevant but I will give essentially what is my vision of this forum (and this is all pretty much speaking from a completely selfish standpoint).

The Politics forum is a good forum, but it is essentially an echo chamber. I don't say this in the negative way that many do, I enjoy that forum, it has many good and great posters that make good and great posts. I read it. I occasionally post. The problem in it for me lies in the fact that I do not particularly feel the need to respond to posts I agree with, so I view it more as a place to get current events and interesting opinions on those events but not to contribute too much.

This forum I essentially view as a fun place to argue with and make fun of morons (mostly wil). If it is to differentiate itself from the Politics forum in any way, I think it must, basically, allow what most would consider to be bad posting. This is because the reasons people come here seem to me basically twofold:

1) The posted so badly they were exiled from alpha.
2) They enjoy arguing with the posters in set 1.

The posters in set #1 are simply going to post badly. It is what they do, it is who they are, and there is no hope of that changing. There is little hope of getting through to them with reasoned arguments. They are often going to post racist or offensive things, hopefully not overtly so.

The posters in set #2 have basically come here seeking out the bad posting. If they wanted to argue and discuss with each other, they'd do it in alpha. They (we) either want to make fun of, or practice arguing against, the bad posts.

Basically, my theory of this forum is that it thrives on ****posting. If ****posting is disallowed the forum ceases to have a purpose. My view is that the modding should focus only on stopping the ****tiest of the ****posting, and keeping the ****posting within sitewide rules, and nothing else.

So I guess basically unchained.

haha this seems the most spot on post in this thread. or really the whole forum.

06-26-2017 , 05:07 PM

#2164

well named

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I'm moving these posts to the LC thread....

06-28-2017 , 02:19 AM

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spaceman Bryce

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I would agree tilted donkey and victors posts are the best on this forum. If you didn't in anyway shape or form take into account mental illness.

06-28-2017 , 09:47 AM

#2166

TiltedDonkey

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Can you expand on that post?

06-28-2017 , 05:54 PM

#2167

Jbrochu

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He may be talking about his own mental illness?

06-28-2017 , 06:06 PM

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Original Position

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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

Can you expand on that post?

I think he's trying to compliment you, saying that your posting is very good, but flawed because you aren't taking sufficient concern for the effects of your posts on the person reading them, who might have a mental illness and so respond in ways you don't desire.

06-28-2017 , 06:52 PM

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wil318466

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I thought he was calling them both jagoffs.

06-28-2017 , 09:22 PM

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spanktehbadwookie

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Confront mental health stigma now.

06-28-2017 , 09:27 PM

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JohnyCrash

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Nutsss

06-28-2017 , 11:08 PM

#2172

spaceman Bryce

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Original Position

before i leave, this is exactly correct.

06-28-2017 , 11:08 PM

#2173

spaceman Bryce

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wil318466

I thought he was calling them both jagoffs.

....
no

06-28-2017 , 11:45 PM

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JohnyCrash

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

before i leave, this is exactly correct.

That is ******ed.

06-29-2017 , 12:06 AM

#2175

spaceman Bryce

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnyCrash

That is ******ed.

Oh, ok. I don't even know how to respond to that. And I'm only telling you that because I don't have a problem with you.

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