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Is Owner of Atlanta Hawks Racist? Yes or No from 2012 letter Is Owner of Atlanta Hawks Racist? Yes or No from 2012 letter

09-07-2014 , 11:18 PM
Owner of Atlanta Hawks self admits to NBA that he wrote a racist letter and "outs" himself.

League is looking for a new buyer.

Here is the email he sent in 2012

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From: Bruce Levenson
To: Ferry, Danny
CC: Foreman, Todd (ucg.com); Peskowitz, Ed (ucg.com)
Sent: 8/25/2012 11:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: Business/Game ops
from day one i have been impressed with the friendliness and professionalism of the arena staff — food vendors, ushers, ticket takers, etc. in our early years when i would bring folks from dc they were blown away by the contrast between abe pollin’s arena and philips. some of this is attributable to southern hospital and manners but bob and his staff do a good job of training. To this day, I can not get the ushers to call me Bruce yet they insist on me calling them by their first names.
the non-premium area food is better than most arenas, though that is not saying much. i think there is room for improvement and creativity. Levy is our food vendor so we don’t have much control but they have been good partners. i have wished we had some inconic offereing like boog’s barbeque at the baseball stadium in balt.
our new restaurant, red, just opened so too early for me to give you my thoughts.
Regarding game ops, i need to start with some background. for the first couple of years we owned the team, i didn’t much focus on game ops. then one day a light bulb went off. when digging into why our season ticket base is so small, i was told it is because we can’t get 35-55 white males and corporations to buy season tixs and they are the primary demo for season tickets around the league. when i pushed further, folks generally shrugged their shoulders. then i start looking around our arena during games and notice the following:
— it’s 70 pct black
— the cheerleaders are black
— the music is hip hop
— at the bars it’s 90 pct black
— there are few fathers and sons at the games
— we are doing after game concerts to attract more fans and the concerts are either hip hop or gospel.
Then i start looking around at other arenas. It is completely different. Even DC with its affluent black community never has more than 15 pct black audience.
Before we bought the hawks and for those couple years immediately after in an effort to make the arena look full (at the nba’s urging) thousands and thousands of tickets were being giving away, predominantly in the black community, adding to the overwhelming black audience.
My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough affluent black fans to build a signficant season ticket base. Please dont get me wrong. There was nothing threatening going on in the arean back then. i never felt uncomfortable, but i think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or at a bar where they were in the minority. On fan sites i would read comments about how dangerous it is around philips yet in our 9 years, i don’t know of a mugging or even a pick pocket incident. This was just racist garbage. When I hear some people saying the arena is in the wrong place I think it is code for there are too many blacks at the games.
I have been open with our executive team about these concerns. I have told them I want some white cheerleaders and while i don’t care what the color of the artist is, i want the music to be music familiar to a 40 year old white guy if that’s our season tixs demo. i have also balked when every fan picked out of crowd to shoot shots in some time out contest is black. I have even bitched that the kiss cam is too black.
Gradually things have changed. My unscientific guess is that our crowd is 40 pct black now, still four to five times all other teams. And my further guess is that 40 pct still feels like 70 pet to some whites at our games. Our bars are still overwhelmingly black.
This is obviously a sensitive topic, but sadly i think it is far and way the number one reason our season ticket base is so low.
And many of our black fans don’t have the spendable income which explains why our f&b and merchandise sales are so low. At all white thrasher games sales were nearly triple what they are at hawks games (the extra intermission explains some of that but not all).
Regardless of what time a game starts, we have the latest arriving crowd in the league. It often looks and sounds empty when the team takes the floor.
In the past two years, we have created a section of rowdy college students that has been a big plus. And we do a lot of very clever stuff during time outs to entertain the crowd. Our kiss cam is better done than any in the league.
We have all the same halftime acts that other arenas have but i question whether they make sense. people are on their cell phones during half time. i wonder if flashing on the scoreboard “$2 off on hot dogs during halftime tonight” just as the half ends would be a better use of our halftime dollars and make the fans happier.
We do all the usual giveways and the fans are usually their loudest when our spirit crew takes the floor to give away t-shirts. It pisses me off that they will yell louder for a t-shirt then for our players.
Our player intro is flat. We manufacture a lot of noise but because of the late arriving crowd and the fact that a lot of blacks dont seem to go as crazy cheering (another one of my theories) as whites, it is not great. Even when we have just returned from winnng four straight on the road, i am one of the few people in the arena standing and cheering when our team takes the floor. Bob has kicked around ideas like having the starters coming down aisles rather than off the bench during intros. Sounds cool but may highlight all the empty seats at the start of games.
Not enough of our fans wear hawks jerseys to games. i have just begun to push for ideas like discount food lines for folks wearing jerseys, special entrances, etc. I think we need a committed and perhaps incentivized fan club.
We need to realize atl is simply different than every other city. Just adopting nba best practices is not enough. we have to create our own.
I am rambling and could probably go on forever. If you have any specific areas you would like my thoughts on, let me know.
Best,
Bruce
ps — I have cc’d todd and ed so they can chime in with additional or different thoughts.
09-07-2014 , 11:26 PM
meh
09-07-2014 , 11:54 PM
I think we should punish him by giving him ****loads of cash for his team.
09-07-2014 , 11:58 PM
This is just LOGICAL and INTELLECTUAL commentary. Move along everyone.

To be clear, i think its pretty meh, i only skim read but it seems to me that he is saying that his main base are a bunch of racists and they need to do something to attract them back. I don't know why you want racists at your game, but isn't as bad as the sterling crap.

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09-07-2014 , 11:58 PM
He was probably just playing Devil's Advocate for his management team of mensa's.

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09-08-2014 , 12:20 AM
I don't think this letter is racist.

Are we allowed to discriminate against blacks to boost the bottom line?

Isn't this what David Stern has been doing to the NBA for the last 30 years? Trying to attract more affluent whites to the games and raising revenue?
09-08-2014 , 12:54 AM
I don't think it's racist. Of course, I'm considered a notorious apologist for racists in some quarters, so grain of salt.

This all stinks of ulterior motive as others have noted. He wants to sell the team.
09-08-2014 , 01:07 AM
Based on the Commissioner's statement:
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As Mr. Levenson acknowledged, the views he expressed are entirely unacceptable and are in stark contrast to the core principles of the National Basketball Association. He shared with me how truly remorseful he is for using those hurtful words and how apologetic he is to the entire NBA family...
I was expecting something much more blatantly offensive. On the one hand, it sounds pretty nefarious that the white owner basically said, "We've got 70% black people at our games - let's institute policies to get that number down below 40%." On the other hand, his motivation is clearly financial - he thinks they can sell more season tickets if they provide a more "comfortable" game experience for white fans. Verdict: meh.
09-08-2014 , 02:38 AM
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it sounds pretty nefarious that the white owner basically said, "We've got 70% black people at our games - let's institute policies to get that number down below 40%."
Yeah, taken in a vacuum it's pretty bad, but as you say, the reason he wants to do that is because he can't think of any other way to get more people/white people to show up. He seems completely confounded at the idea of white people not wanting to go to a game lots of black people are at, but seems to be spitballing trying to come up with causes/solutions. "White southerners are racist," doesn't seem like an unreasonable assumption given history. And the present.
09-08-2014 , 11:33 AM
I think there's a lot of value in seeing these types of opinions.

Not really racist, but a good reflection of the draconian economic realities created by racism.

It's an interesting parallel to the WWE, which caught some heat recently for never having had a champion who self-IDed as black (The Rock is part black, but doesn't really ID as such). Part of that is just some overt racism, but a huge part of that is that they know they'll make less money from their fan base with a black champions.

At the same time as a lot of idiots are trying to claim that racism isn't a problem, we still have major organizations making decisions based around catering to racist fans.

A good reminder we've still got some work to do.
09-08-2014 , 12:23 PM
Didn't Booker T win the championship at one point?
09-08-2014 , 12:35 PM
Bitching that the "kiss cam" is too black is still pretty racist.
09-08-2014 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
I don't think this letter is racist.

Are we allowed to discriminate against blacks to boost the bottom line?

Isn't this what David Stern has been doing to the NBA for the last 30 years? Trying to attract more affluent whites to the games and raising revenue?
Why this and not just "trying to attract moire affluent people"?
09-08-2014 , 12:41 PM
Story was about the WWE belt, not the former WCW belt, which Booker did win.

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Bitching that the "kiss cam" is too black is still pretty racist.
I mean the guy is super likely to be racist, but I read that as "not because it personally offended me, but because it bothered our white fans". It's still horrible, but I guess for me "old rich white guy is racist" is a lot less interesting takeaway than "look at what people with money and power do and say because they have to cater to racists, who still exist you stupid mother****ers arguing otherwise".
09-08-2014 , 12:42 PM
I thought he said it was the best in the league?
09-08-2014 , 12:43 PM
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Why this and not just "trying to attract moire affluent people"?
Stern pretty unambiguously was appealing to whitey with his dress code changes. It's a fair read to suggest that he was specifically concerned with growing/maintaining his white fan base.
09-08-2014 , 01:09 PM
Is bitching about having late arriving fans his codeword for CPT?
09-08-2014 , 01:12 PM
Representing the racist pov(?). I'm more interested in the letter being 2 years old. Who released the letter?
09-08-2014 , 01:16 PM
Fans are late and they don't wear jerseys is a pretty funny thing to worry about. What does that affect other than his image around other owners?

Do advertisers pull out because ticket sales are up but so is tardiness?
09-08-2014 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by longmissedblind
Representing the racist pov(?). I'm more interested in the letter being 2 years old. Who released the letter?
He self-reported this email.

My guess is that this would have been part of discovery in Sterling's complaint against the NBA.
09-08-2014 , 02:42 PM
I think the best-case scenario for team executives is to always have a packed arena of boisterous superfans wearing team jerseys. Even if a lot of tickets are sold, it looks bad if the TV audience sees an mostly empty arena at the end of the first quarter.

In the letter he even says "Bob has kicked around ideas like having the starters coming down aisles rather than off the bench during intros. Sounds cool but may highlight all the empty seats at the start of games."
09-08-2014 , 02:49 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...162901096.html

Yes, he probably is racist.
09-08-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Stern pretty unambiguously was appealing to whitey with his dress code changes. It's a fair read to suggest that he was specifically concerned with growing/maintaining his white fan base.
I agree with you, except that the NBA dress code was definitely ambiguous. I doubt Stern would ever, even in closed door, all-white deliberations, say anything like "We've got to appeal to white guys!" That may have been his intent, but he wasn't dumb enough to ever say it.
09-08-2014 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anais
Fans are late and they don't wear jerseys is a pretty funny thing to worry about. What does that affect other than his image around other owners?

Do advertisers pull out because ticket sales are up but so is tardiness?
Well it would be something worth discussing when your team is bottom in the league in attendance rankings (25th over 10 years), your ticket prices suck and you're desperate to try any angle.
09-08-2014 , 03:24 PM
No...This just seems to be a ploy to get MAX value for his franchise when he is 'forced' to sell it.

      
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