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Old 05-21-2015, 01:41 PM   #51
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Kinda amusing for DIB to blame Gizmo and say the harassment clearly wasn't bad after all the rape story stuff.
I'm not blaming anybody. In fact, I've repeatedly tried to redirect blame talk as I'm 100% not interested in who's to blame.

I do not believe my behavior meets criteria for sexual harassment but do know Gizmo has reported (repeatedly) feeling harassed. Accepting her statements regarding her feeling harassed at face value, I'm trying to understand why forum point scoring would be worth exposing yourself to feeling sexually harassed.

To me, it's a case of either the harassment feelings being overblown, or the point scoring feeling much better than I thought. I suspect the former.

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In this case it was not only the most likely response, it was nearly inevitable. Incredibly poor strategy on your part.

It is more social pecking order than fight or flight. By threatening to act weird, you effectively made her attacking you socially acceptable to everyone (except for a certain strange aunt who disapproves of everything anyway). That carries tons more weight than the possibility of you saying weird stuff again.
If being "weird" were what she risked exposing herself to, then I'd basically be in agreement.

But Giz feels my behavior is far worse than weird. It's sexual harassment. When you sub in "sexual harassment" for "acting weird" above your theory doesn't really fit, unless of course point scoring (and the subsequent social benefits) outweigh the cost of being sexually harassed; something I already listed as a potential option, but felt was only possible if she didn't feel sexually harassed.

Unless you disagree? Do you think point scoring and the associated social benefits outweigh the costs of being sexually harassed as opposed to merely "acting weird?"
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Old 05-21-2015, 01:58 PM   #52
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If you were taking her feeling harassed at face value you wouldn't be speculating that the harassment isn't really that bad.
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bitterman clinging desperately to the idea that someone, somewhere, cares even the slightest bit about him - even if it's them hating him, is a very sad thing to witness.
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Old 05-21-2015, 02:08 PM   #54
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Taking it at face value leads to the confusion discussed at length ITT.

Something has to give. Either the benefits of point scoring (attention, social praise, w/e) outweigh the costs of being sexually harassed, or the costs were overblown.

A combination is likely. I can't imagine a situation where feeling sexually harassed is compensated by online social gains with strangers; like, even the most desperately isolated and depressed individual wouldn't sign up for a situation where some positive attention from forumites compensated for the emotional fallout of sexual harassment. I'm thinking her sense of belonging here is likely more influential than I might imagine, hence the social advantages of point scoring are greater for her. That said, I still don't see how it would make up for the costs associated with feeling sexually harassed.
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bitterman clinging desperately to the idea that someone, somewhere, cares even the slightest bit about him - even if it's them hating him, is a very sad thing to witness.
You should dedicate a thread to both 1) how much I suck and you wish I would leave, and 2) how my negative attention seeking should be rewarded by your thread because, you know, I may one day seek a stake ITF.

Winning decisions.
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Old 05-21-2015, 02:56 PM   #56
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Tut tut young man

Remember when you say 'everyone' you mean just a few.

Then you most like over-estimate the downside. Most of those who find it acceptable after found it acceptable before.
Being really difficult to like seems to be a common problem among those who make massive strategic mistakes in iterative social interactions.
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:05 PM   #57
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You should dedicate a thread to both 1) how much I suck and you wish I would leave, and 2) how my negative attention seeking should be rewarded by your thread because, you know, I may one day seek a stake ITF.

Winning decisions.
You are weighting the utils and the probabilities wrong.
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:09 PM   #58
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bitterman clinging desperately to the idea that someone, somewhere, cares even the slightest bit about him - even if it's them hating him, is a very sad thing to witness.
You are, in effect, kicking a retarded cat at this point.
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:27 PM   #59
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it never bothered me when the target was smp retards, so why would this be any different?
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Taking it at face value leads to the confusion discussed at length ITT.

Something has to give. Either the benefits of point scoring (attention, social praise, w/e) outweigh the costs of being sexually harassed, or the costs were overblown.

A combination is likely. I can't imagine a situation where feeling sexually harassed is compensated by online social gains with strangers; like, even the most desperately isolated and depressed individual wouldn't sign up for a situation where some positive attention from forumites compensated for the emotional fallout of sexual harassment. I'm thinking her sense of belonging here is likely more influential than I might imagine, hence the social advantages of point scoring are greater for her. That said, I still don't see how it would make up for the costs associated with feeling sexually harassed.
Maybe inducing you to go over the line and get yourself banned means more sexual harassment in the short term but less sexual harassment in the long run.

Maybe any perceived abuse from you has a diminished effect and doesn't bother her as much as it used to.

Maybe she thinks that the principled thing is to not waver in the face of threats of sexual harassment and to do the opposite of appeasement.

See folks, this lack of creativity on the part of DIB is why I tend to believe he doesn't make up his stories.
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it never bothered me when the target was smp retards, so why would this be any different?
Sorry. I thought you were the bottom. Kind of difficult to keep track of from the outside.
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Old 05-21-2015, 04:19 PM   #62
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Maybe inducing you to go over the line and get yourself banned means more sexual harassment in the short term but less sexual harassment in the long run.
She risked exposing herself to harassment that she's previously experienced because this time it might get me banned?

Nah.
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Maybe any perceived abuse from you has a diminished effect and doesn't bother her as much as it used to.
I think we can agree it likely doesn't bother her much.
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Maybe she thinks that the principled thing is to not waver in the face of threats of sexual harassment and to do the opposite of appeasement.
So she opts to score forum points against strangers on principle, despite the likely outcome being sexual harassment?

Nah.

Unless the harassment might be better described as me being "weird," or "annoying," or any of the other descriptors others have used.
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Old 05-21-2015, 04:25 PM   #63
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See folks, this lack of creativity on the part of DIB is why I tend to believe he doesn't make up his stories.
wat

Stories that are neither believable or entertaining are exactly what you should expect from somebody without any creativity telling lies.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:28 PM   #64
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She risked exposing herself to harassment that she's previously experienced because this time it might get me banned?

Nah.


I think we can agree it likely doesn't bother her much.



So she opts to score forum points against strangers on principle, despite the likely outcome being sexual harassment?

Nah.

Unless the harassment might be better described as me being "weird," or "annoying," or any of the other descriptors others have used.
Still justifying his harassment because she's obviously not really concerned by it and just faking. I mean, at this point she's just begging for it, amirite?
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:47 PM   #65
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Notice, if you will, how I'm NOT "harassing" her any longer, have apologized for my actions, and how I've stated I have no intentions to "harass" despite threatening to do so and her opting to DOXX talk anyway.

But don't let reality get in the way of your little narrative.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:50 PM   #66
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Oh, I'm sorry, I should have been clear you're not currently doing it, just threatening to
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have apologized for my actions.
Did I miss this or just forget about it?
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Old 05-21-2015, 06:18 PM   #68
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Pretty sure forgot, but would have no qualms apologizing again.

Uncool of me to persistently touch on something I knew she/you were very uncomfortable with just to get a rise out of you two. Ditto commenting on Dids being ugly. Think there's a line of acceptability re: posting demeanor even in PUC and that I had crossed it repeatedly in these regards. Truly regret it and am sorry about doing so.
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In light of spank getting remodded, this place is getting too touchy feely.

Someone throw a pie!
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Think there's a line of acceptability re: posting demeanor even in PUC and that I had crossed it repeatedly in these regards. Truly regret it and am sorry about doing so.
I for sure agree with this and i'm glad that your recognize it.
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Yeah, he's so gosh darn sorry that he's spent the past two days threatening to do it again.
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Old 05-21-2015, 07:29 PM   #72
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Oh no, but he's not actually going to do it. It's just super interesting that I would risk sexual harassment to point out that he lied about doxxing. The sexual harassment must not be intense enough (or real sexual harassment) otherwise I would have backed down from being threatened.
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So let's say it's real Giz. What's your motive? The scoring of points and high fives is juicy enough to commpensate for the sexual harassment?
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