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Old 05-19-2015, 08:35 PM   #26
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Do you people have to spread your fight in multiple threads? You guys are spreading the A.I.D.S everywhere.
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Old 05-20-2015, 01:38 AM   #27
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Sweet are we gonna have another psychology battle between the ex-psychologist and the social worker? Should be fun
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Old 05-20-2015, 07:30 AM   #28
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What isn't?
People don't respond to "don't do x or I will act annoyingly."

If anything, it makes x more tempting.
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Old 05-20-2015, 08:38 AM   #29
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So...threats don't work? Fascinating.
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Old 05-20-2015, 08:54 AM   #30
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So...threats don't work? Fascinating.
Are you surprised?

Let's consider this slightly differently, imagine I said I had the ability to dox you and that unless you agreed to my conditions, like not posting in P or PU, I would do this.

Why would my request for you to stop posting be unreasonable? Like I'm telling you what I may choose to do if you don't stop posting?

In any case I can get with that you would have some responsibility for getting doxxed in that situation, the consequences are clear and obvious but it doesn't make you blameworthy for being doxxed and you posting doesn't do anything to mitigate my responsibility for doxxing you.
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:04 AM   #31
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Crunching a bit from phone but this isn't unreasonable or a stretch.

Dibs and gizmo both want the other to stop and both most likely realise they were behaving in a way they would rather not.

Dibs may have started it but he has also unilaterally stopped. Gizmo can follow suit even if she sees it as calling a bluff.
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:28 AM   #32
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So...threats don't work? Fascinating.
That isn't what I said. Your threat isn't threatening - you might as well have asked for things to escalate for having made it.
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:43 AM   #33
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In any case I can get with that you would have some responsibility for getting doxxed in that situation, the consequences are clear and obvious but it doesn't make you blameworthy for being doxxed and you posting doesn't do anything to mitigate my responsibility for doxxing you.
I don't care who's to blame. I'll even agree for the sake of this discussion that I behaved like a POS for a long while and deserve my come uppance; that DOXX talk is justice or whatever.

I'm strictly interested in why she would choose to continue, knowing full well that the chances of me "sexually harassing" her increase substantially by doing so.

In my mind, it's either that the "harassment" isn't as aversive as it seems, or there is some yet-to-be-identified benefit to DOXX talk that makes exposing herself to significantly more risk of "harassment" worth it.

Then again, in a behavior nerd. I know I'll likely not get an answer here for various reasons and I should probably just let this go.
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That isn't what I said. Your threat isn't threatening - you might as well have asked for things to escalate for having made it.
You said threatening to be annoying doesn't work, right?

Have you heard Giz describe her feelings associated with my jabs at their sex life? She feels like it's sexual harassment, that it's an attempt to control women, etc etc.

The consequence for her is clearly not merely experiencing something annoying.
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Old 05-20-2015, 09:58 AM   #34
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I'm strictly interested in why she would choose to continue, knowing full well that the chances of me "sexually harassing" her increase substantially by doing so.

In my mind, it's either that the "harassment" isn't as aversive as it seems, or there is some yet-to-be-identified benefit to DOXX talk that makes exposing herself to significantly more risk of "harassment" worth it.

Then again, in a behavior nerd. I know I'll likely not get an answer here for various reasons and I should probably just let this go.
At the risk of getting involved in a ridiculous conversation - you're a pretty bad behaviour nerd if these are the only two options you can think of.

People don't enjoy being threatened. And giving in to threats of being sexually harassed probably makes most people feel kind of crappy.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:48 AM   #35
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At the risk of getting involved in a ridiculous conversation - you're a pretty bad behaviour nerd if these are the only two options you can think of.

People don't enjoy being threatened. And giving in to threats of being sexually harassed probably makes most people feel kind of crappy.
That is pretty much it. Basically, the expected response to a threat is to attack.
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Old 05-20-2015, 10:57 AM   #36
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So from that we can infer that bitterman wanted to be challenged so he could continue being creepy and try to blame someone else for it
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:19 AM   #37
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So from that we can infer that bitterman wanted to be challenged so he could continue being creepy and try to blame someone else for it
We can infer that is a possibility.

It is more likely that he was genuinely surprised that it didn't work. That seems pretty common on this website.
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Old 05-20-2015, 11:27 AM   #38
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We can infer that is a possibility.

It is more likely that he was genuinely surprised that it didn't work. That seems pretty common on this website.
It can still work. Gizmo can still stop, dibs can help by not rising to the early obvious response.

You shouldn't take any of this as being surprised if it fails on either side - that's a very bad mistake.
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Old 05-21-2015, 04:19 AM   #39
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It can still work. Gizmo can still stop, dibs can help by not rising to the early obvious response.

You shouldn't take any of this as being surprised if it fails on either side - that's a very bad mistake.
Pigs can fly. It just isn't likely.
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Old 05-21-2015, 04:29 AM   #40
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Pigs can fly. It just isn't likely.
Pigs can't fly. If you were much older you might remember when the popular saying was there's as much chance as putting a man on the moon.

There's a human tendency to confuse low chance with pretty much no chance. There's another error which is to see situations as binary and immediate when in reality there is a wide range of possible outcomes over a long period of time.
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Old 05-21-2015, 05:31 AM   #41
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Pigs can't fly. If you were much older you might remember when the popular saying was there's as much chance as putting a man on the moon.

There's a human tendency to confuse low chance with pretty much no chance. There's another error which is to see situations as binary and immediate when in reality there is a wide range of possible outcomes over a long period of time.
Of course pigs can fly, just not under their own power. It is only unlikely because no one will bother to make them fly.
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Of course pigs can fly, just not under their own power. It is only unlikely because no one will bother to make them fly.
Yeeees. That's what the expression means
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Old 05-21-2015, 06:22 AM   #43
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Old 05-21-2015, 08:38 AM   #44
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Yeeees. That's what the expression means
Well, no one is going to toss the two pigs in question, so it isn't going to happen.

Some things are irresistible to some people.
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People don't enjoy being threatened. And giving in to threats of being sexually harassed probably makes most people feel kind of crappy.
This is very wrong.

Blackmail works. If I tell you doing X will result in undesirable event Y happening, guess what? There's a fantastic chance X doesn't happen.

Negative reinforcement also works. If I tell you I'll stop doing aversive behavior Y if you do X, guess what? You'll probably do X. This is the reason those annoying chimes in your car get you to put on your seat belt.

Feeling sexually harassed is aversive. She had experienced this while interacting with me for a long time until a couple months ago when I stopped. Potentially re-exposing herself to this to score points against strangers online is baffling to me.

My theory is that the "harassment" wasn't that aversive, as opposed to the point scoring being rewarding enough to justify exposing herself to more "harassment."



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That is pretty much it. Basically, the expected response to a threat is to attack.
There are various responses to threats one might experience, "attack" by no means being most likely. Are you referring to fight or flight?

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Old 05-21-2015, 12:30 PM   #46
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There are various responses to threats one might experience, "attack" by no means being most likely. Are you referring to fight or flight?
In this case it was not only the most likely response, it was nearly inevitable. Incredibly poor strategy on your part.

It is more social pecking order than fight or flight. By threatening to act weird, you effectively made her attacking you socially acceptable to everyone (except for a certain strange aunt who disapproves of everything anyway). That carries tons more weight than the possibility of you saying weird stuff again.
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In this case it was not only the most likely response, it was nearly inevitable. Incredibly poor strategy on your part.

It is more social pecking order than fight or flight. By threatening to act weird, you effectively made her attacking you socially acceptable to everyone (except for a certain strange aunt who disapproves of everything anyway). That carries tons more weight than the possibility of you saying weird stuff again.
Tut tut young man

Remember when you say 'everyone' you mean just a few.

Then you most like over-estimate the downside. Most of those who find it acceptable after found it acceptable before.
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Old 05-21-2015, 12:38 PM   #48
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DiB, you are not a behavioural nerd. Or at least, you're a very badly informed one.
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you only say that because literally every read bitterman has made ever has been wrong
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Old 05-21-2015, 12:59 PM   #50
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Kinda amusing for DIB to blame Gizmo and say the harassment clearly wasn't bad after all the rape story stuff.
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