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Who, exactly, gave up on engaging me? I've curb-stomped everyone who I've argued against at length. I've collected their money. What else do you want me to do?

I mean, literally they have just disappeared. Where's wookie? Fly took a break for a little while in total embarrassment. Master has left the thread forever.

Again, why do you simply make things up? Go ahead, ask them. Go PM them if you wish, but it's all right here. Just because you stubbornly refuses to accept reality and are "still here" that has little to with you being correct about any single thing.

Your posting is a good example of how broken the minds of your people are. We have literally created a generation of ******s who can't think logically. You are a problem, and you will be a problem for a long time. It makes me worried about the future if we have too many of you people running around.

You know how alarmed we were when Sarah Palin actually came close to being in the White House? That's how I feel about you morons. One day you idiots may actually run the country, and that scares the **** of out me.

Please share your favorite figurative and literal curb-stompings, or post some general praise and admiration for such a master of the discourse and dialectic, or just give some o-hellz-ya-u-rock congratulations!

12-06-2016 , 05:49 AM

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Here, I'll start:

gooooo wil!!!

12-06-2016 , 06:17 AM

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Not the beginning, but a reasonable start to the glorious stomping on the curb. I bolded the curb-stompiest part.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Lol. You see no need to continue it because you just keep saying stupid things and having them pointed out to you.

I mean the highlights from yesterday involved you denying the truthfulness of a trivially true logic statement. Denying that schools discipline students. Saying its pathetic to offer to bet someone. And of course making two hot takes about me that you then immediately ran away from.

It wasn't your finest days work.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Arguing with you and people like you is a waste of time. LG is gone, kerowo is lolgone, master is quietly chewing on a piece of carpet somewhere. So we get left with idiots like you and bladesman.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

lol. All you're left with is saying 'you're so dumb' because every time you've said something else you've just made a fool of yourself.

Like I said. I get why you don't want to keep engaging.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

I would think it's obvious to anyone with a shred of objectivity to see what is going on here. You and the rest of the pile-on-crew use the same tactics everywhere. You dislike me and attack me personally. In retaliation I do the same, as I will not just sit back and be insulted.

That being said, you claiming I'm "dumb" is amusing. My position is clear : if it's in the best interest of the child then maybe physical discipline should be used. If you are suggesting I would gain any pleasure out of ever striking a child, you have bigger problems than me.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Note : this is coming from someone who says they agree with a statement but can't think of one example when it could be true.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Keep ****ing that chicken!

I love the doubling down on not understanding basic logic!

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Your the one who keeps saying things like these. Everything I've said makes sense in terms of my mindset of this issue. If you could prove to me that in 100% of the cases physical discipline would not be effective, I would obviously agree with you. That can't be done, therefore I can't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Wil, this statement shows the problem is with your understanding of logic and nothing to do with your mindset.

Believing 'X if Y' is not the same as believing 'X'. And the truthfulness of 'X if Y' is not the same as the truthfulness of X or Y.

It's really simple.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

I have no idea what you even mean by this. You are welcome to put it into actual words instead of "x if y", and we can go through it. My position is "it might be worth a shot", not "it is definitely worth a shot". You seem to want to portray it as definitive. It is not.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

This does not surprise me.

Should have left it as you're done talking to me.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

It really isn't difficult. Put it into actual terms, and we can debunk your idiocy. You put it into equation form for a reason, didn't you?

Put it into actual statements (that I've made), and let's prove or disprove your assertion, we can leave it to others to decide.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Uh, we started with the actual terms and you got confused. But, sure, what the hell. We can try again.

X = 'use physical force for punishing children'.
Y = 'physical force is the best punishment for the child'.

So we both agree with the statement 'It's ok to use physical force to punish a child if its the best punishment for them.'

To be super duper explicit this is not us both agreeing that physical punishment is ok.

I have a condition there. It would need to be shown to me that physical force is the best option.

If you remember WAY back I said I've never been given an example where physical force was used as punishment where it was the best option. Hence, I do not actually know of a situation where physical punishment is appropriate.

You and TS tried to give examples where you thought physical force was the most appropriate punishment. But they were bad examples and even you disavowed some of them.

So... Hopefully that clears stuff up for you.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Your statement of 'It's ok to use physical force to punish a child if its the best punishment for them.' isn't exactly clear when you say "for them".

My position has been "if it's in their best interest". There are also some situations where I think it may need to be done for someone else's sake and the behavior must not occur again, as in the example of a teenage boy punching his mother in the face.

If you were in a situation where your son punched your wife for a second time after having a long conversation the first time and explaining to him how that can't happen again, what would be the best course of action?

In an easier scenario : what if you witnessed your son chase a ball into the street without stopping to look for oncoming traffic? What if he did it multiple times?

The 1st scenario is based more on the idea of "this can never happen again". The 2nd scenario is more along the lines of "I'll take the risk of the repercussions of giving them a spanking over them being killed by a car".

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

I don't think your semantic changes are meaningful. Part of punishment (at least in how I think we've been using it) is in stopping the behaviour from happening again. In all cases I assume there are negative consequences to the behaviour happening again.

I suspect in neither of your situations is spanking the kid the right answer.

I'm not sure why you think that spanking the kid has a higher EV (if you will) of stopping the behaviour in the future. Do you have anything to support this?

Let's pick the chasing the ball into the street without looking for traffic.

First, a big part of this is knowing your kid and making sure they are developed enough to be able to understand and carry out the concept. If they aren't it doesn't matter what punishment you use its not going to be effective.

Second, is being a proactive parent. If your kid can't control themselves they shouldn't be out there. If they're still learning you should be out there prompting them on what they need to do and offerings positive reinforcement when they obey the rule.

Third, if it happens and punishment is necessary it seems like there are lots of options: the talk, stopping the game immediately, removing privileges, whatever. Different things work for different kids.

At no point does it seem like hitting them is the only or best option.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

I guess to at least somewhat address the teenage boy punching his mother - this is a significantly more complex issue. The right course of action depends on history and what happened.

But it's a very serious problem and using physical force back is almost certainly NOT the right answer because it's not addressing the underlying problem and it's reinforcing that it's ok to hit people. And teenage boys that are hitting their mothers have an underlying problem that needs to be addressed.

Edit: Not to mention that the amount of force necessary to actually have an effect on a teenage boy is almost certainly classified as assault by the majority of the western world. We're not talking a spanking on the bum.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Your last two posts are complete nonsense.

As I've said, discussing any meaningful topic with people like you is worthless. I asked you a direct question and you answered me with word salads. I have better things to do with my time.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Lol, that's what I get for trying. I answered your question about what I'd do. Sorry it's not simple

Like you asked me what I'd do in this situation and I laid out an answer explaining some of the variables that need to be considered. Sorry it wasn't just '**** yeah! Smoke the little **** in the head!'

Edit: Ugh, congratulations. You actually managed to annoy me ITT. Well played tricking me into thinking you were serious even after pulling **** like 'schools don't discipline kids'.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Dude, you are a complete moron, and I don't believe you actually have children. Everything you say reeks of some 27 year old dude who wants to throw his opinion out there and denounce someone else because they want to feel better about themselves. Like, when you say something incredibly stupid as this :

I have to question where this is coming from? What sort of logic is this? A child may only go out and play if the parent "knows their kid"? How is that even possible when a child, by nature, doesn't know themselves yet? What if I know my kid is reckless? Should I keep them tied up in the house until they are 23?

You are incredibly disingenuous here. I've never met ANY parent who would say what you just said. Either you are a liar or one of the biggest idiots I've ever come across.

lol @ "knowing your kid". GTFO with this complete and utter bull****. Kids are called kids for a ****ing reason - because they do irrational **** and don't know better! I call many people stupid on these boards, but you are TRULY ****ing stupid.

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

If your kid does irrational **** they shouldn't be playing somewhere where they can run out in front of traffic. They don't have the capability to obey the rule you're setting for them. Which, by the way, makes hitting them for breaking the rule extremely unfair.

You are a ****ty parent. That's my take away from your last post. Or perhaps you're the one without kids?

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

Anyway, congrats. You've managed what few people have managed. It's time to put you on ignore. Because your stupidity is now annoying me and I'm getting mad at how gleefully ignorant you are as a parent.

Someone please quote Wil if he wants to bet me on my parental or financial status. But it's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

I can prove easily that I have children. I've sent Chez proof of my status in the past, it wouldn't take much to ask him if I'm actually a parent or not. You apparently can not or refuse to.

I have my suspicions why.

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Don't do me any favors! It's hilarious how you are the one attacking me and then get all bitchy about being proven a moron.

Go take a midol, bitch. Later!

Stomped!

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

It's amazing that Wil openly admits he can't understand statements like "x if y" and then calls people morons.

Bladesman has much to learn about curbs and stomps.

12-06-2016 , 07:38 AM

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If you're so in love with the guy how about you just send him a PM ?

12-06-2016 , 07:48 AM

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I was hoping this would be 100 5ive posts in a row, at which point we turn into the 5ive containment thread, and the guy is trapped forever.

12-06-2016 , 08:23 AM

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Hope is what keeps humanity alive.

12-06-2016 , 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Yakmelk

If you're so in love with the guy how about you just send him a PM ?

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer

I was hoping this would be 100 5ive posts in a row, at which point we turn into the 5ive containment thread, and the guy is trapped forever.

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Originally Posted by Yakmelk

Hope is what keeps humanity alive.

Guys, guys, this thread isn't for my curbing and a stomping of you, it's to honor wil for his.

12-06-2016 , 08:44 AM

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Who the **** is going to read all that crap?

12-06-2016 , 10:18 AM

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Who the **** is going to read all that crap?

That's what wil counts on.

12-06-2016 , 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Guys, guys, this thread isn't for my curbing and a stomping of you, it's to honor wil for his.

I bet both of your curbing and stomping are of equal quality.

12-06-2016 , 10:32 AM

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5ive triggered by so much wil winning post-Trump that he's lashing out.

12-06-2016 , 11:31 AM

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I like when he came out for punching little kids in the face.

12-06-2016 , 12:29 PM

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Looks like 5ive is having his daily blubbering meltdown again. Soon to come from him... more racist language and links to nazi sites.

12-06-2016 , 12:42 PM

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I think Wookie is still in his safe space. I hope he has plenty of crayons and play-doh for the next eight years.

12-06-2016 , 02:02 PM

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You don't know what forum you are posting in do you?

12-06-2016 , 02:10 PM

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I'd like to see 50 more exchanges before deciding who's winning here.

12-06-2016 , 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I'd like to see 50 more exchanges before deciding who's winning here.

Once you're stuck competing you've already lost.

12-06-2016 , 02:34 PM

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Once you're stuck competing you've already lost.

12-06-2016 , 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kerowo

You don't know what forum you are posting in do you?

I guess not, please do tell....

12-06-2016 , 03:37 PM

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Naw, It's more fun to watch you say obviously stupid things.

12-06-2016 , 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Naw, It's more fun to watch you say obviously stupid things.

Please, I'm supposed to be scared because MrsWookie is lurking around? Thanks, I needed a laugh today!

12-06-2016 , 05:05 PM

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nice job gg wp wil

edit: 21st!

12-06-2016 , 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker

Please, I'm supposed to be scared because MrsWookie is lurking around? Thanks, I needed a laugh today!

LMAO you idiot.

12-06-2016 , 06:36 PM

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You don't know what forum you are posting in do you?

Dude, this place is not a safe space. People of all sides are equally able to express their idiotic opinions without fear of censorship. At least for the most part. Elliot does seem to be stirring a bit lately.

Politics, however, is a clear safe space for anyone who agrees with Wook and the gang. They are allowed to attack and troll almost at will, while anyone who responds in turn risks a quick ban hammer.

Don't get me wrong, P is hardly the worst. There are plenty of worse political safe spaces, and from what I can see the right has plenty of them too. It's part of what fuels this internet age of outrage. Everyone picks their corner, and anyone who doesn't will soon be pushed into one. Everyone has their own 'facts' and too few argue against the other side, just the collective caricature of it while distributing high fives. Places like this, as crappy as they are, are at least better than those echo chambers.