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10-21-2014 , 02:01 PM
rip Chips
10-21-2014 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Lol Dids. You reported the post about 2 hours before I dealt with it. I don't live my life around modding PU.
How much time to act do you think someone should give you before they start whining about modding PU?
10-21-2014 , 02:08 PM
I hate broken threads.
10-21-2014 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianNit
How much time to act do you think someone should give you before they start whining about modding PU?
No time at all. I'm fine with people bitching right away.

I'll just make fun of them is all.
10-21-2014 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Well exactly- that shouldn't be OK. You see what's happening right before you and you're still ****ing up. Transparent lip service in the name of not appearing to be an outright troll (because I guess just being a hateful bigot is cool) should not be enough to duck a ban.
I think its okay so long as there is a sufficient level of plausible deniability (to be determined by the mod) even if we all know what is really going on.

I'd go for a standard similar to a rational basis test, so as long as you can hypothesize a legitimate non-bigoted motivation for an expressed opinion, it isn't worthy of punishment, even if we know that the hypothetical reasoning is not what is going through the poster's head.
10-21-2014 , 03:52 PM
I have a genuine question given the discussion in "why do you post here" thread.

The forum rules state:

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5. If you'd like to try modding your own thread here with stricter rules than a regular PU thread, PM me. Rough rules will be:

- You must have > 100 posts.
- You can only request posts be deleted, posters be temp-banned, or posters be banned from your thread. Bans won't be software enforced or meaningful outside of your thread.
- You can send me only one PM a day with a list of the actions you want taken in your thread.
- You can only request modding action for 2 threads in a single day.
Does this mean you can start a thread with request to band a list of posters from participating in it?

I'm just curious at this point.
10-21-2014 , 03:54 PM
Ctyri, at this point I'm fine with that. If that ends up not working well, then we can re-evaluate.

Edit: Also I changed the once a day thing to: "You can use the Report Post button to report posts in your thread you'd like deleted."
10-21-2014 , 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjshabado
Edit: Also I changed the once a day thing to: "You can use the Report Post button to report posts in your thread you'd like deleted."
If we use that option can we include an explanation to be sent to the poster when their post is deleted?
10-21-2014 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Ctyri, at this point I'm fine with that. If that ends up not working well, then we can re-evaluate.

Edit: Also I changed the once a day thing to: "You can use the Report Post button to report posts in your thread you'd like deleted."
Ok thanks for reply.
10-21-2014 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
If we use that option can we include an explanation to be sent to the poster when their post is deleted?
No. But you can PM them directly - the same as I'd have to do anyway.
10-21-2014 , 04:04 PM
jj: how long until the auto-modding-bot is finished?
10-21-2014 , 04:05 PM
Not soon enough. Realistically not for a week or so at least. Work got crazy.

Even today I shouldn't have wasted as much time today posting here as I did.
10-21-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
No. But you can PM them directly - the same as I'd have to do anyway.
Can you add the feature to the auto-modding bot please. Same for editing posts.

I assume it was a joke but such a system could work really well. Still needs you in charge I'm afraid but so much of the work could be automated.
10-21-2014 , 05:19 PM
I wasn't joking. I just need time to do it. And motivation... the problem is that when work is busy I spend a lot of time sitting on my ass programming - so it's not what I like to do in my spare time.

I'd have to think about the PM'ing. I guess it would be doable and alright.
10-21-2014 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjshabado
I wasn't joking. I just need time to do it. And motivation... the problem is that when work is busy I spend a lot of time sitting on my ass programming - so it's not what I like to do in my spare time.

I'd have to think about the PM'ing. I guess it would be doable and alright.
There is already a bot user that posts, PMs, locks threads:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/388864/

You could use that code to start.
10-21-2014 , 07:50 PM
Nice, if it locks threads I assume it can delete posts?
10-21-2014 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
Nice, if it locks threads I assume it can delete posts?
Sure, once you add it. All the other tools you need are there.

https://github.com/chipsahoy/puzzles-and-other-code

Seems like what you want is

poll your PMs

PU post report?

OP of thread?

delete post, send PM to {you, OP, poster}

----

To add an automation feature I run fiddler while manually using the site to capture, then emulate that.
10-21-2014 , 08:17 PM
That's really cool. Although I'm sad that it's C#.

I'll take a look and see what I can do.
10-21-2014 , 09:38 PM
maybe it'd be easier to start with an ikesbot?

for(int posts=0;posts<100000;posts++)
{
if (poster == phill)
reply = "lol phill";
else
reply = "lol no";
cout << reply;
}
10-22-2014 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dids


NOPE. Sputnik doesn't make legitimate attempts at conversation.


This is the problem. There is a certain contingent of posters here that are so set in their views that anything that challenges that is considered dangerous. Looking outside the box is frowned upon in the land of conformed thinking and thats why they scream and claw so much about banning/ignoring all and everyone that disagrees with them.
10-22-2014 , 11:23 AM
Nobody can disagree a one trick pony who spams gifs. Nice try though.
11-05-2014 , 02:09 PM
TLDR

lol @ OP
11-06-2014 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
is this different from jj's suggestion about op moderated threads?
To me, starting a thread with the explicit purpose of naming and mocking a group of posters and forbidding them from responding is different from setting up rules in the thread. "No personal attacks, and keep the discussion on-topic" is one thing, this is quite another. Excluding posters who don't follow the rules seems fine, just saying poster XYZ can't post is very different. And then setting up a thread where the rules are "Posters X, Y, and Z can't post here, and this thread is for attacking those people" is just absurd. Not something you want in your forum IMO.
11-06-2014 , 02:14 PM
In general, if the way someone behaves is such that other people don't want them to participate in their thread - such is life. That person can either change to be more acceptable to others or live with the fact that they're not welcome in certain discussions.

Perhaps this specific "I want to attack this person where they can't respond" type of thread shouldn't be allowed. I certainly see the reasoning for that, but for now - I'm not that concerned and am willing to see how it goes.

I don't put a lot of stock in the "This is a bad idea because its going to turn out horribly and be bad for 2+2" type of comments. I put more stock in actually looking at results. And I don't think any of the PU threads have any meaningful effect on the 2+2 image/brand.
11-06-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
To me, starting a thread with the explicit purpose of naming and mocking a group of posters and forbidding them from responding is different from setting up rules in the thread. "No personal attacks, and keep the discussion on-topic" is one thing, this is quite another. Excluding posters who don't follow the rules seems fine, just saying poster XYZ can't post is very different. And then setting up a thread where the rules are "Posters X, Y, and Z can't post here, and this thread is for attacking those people" is just absurd. Not something you want in your forum IMO.
I'm so glad to see you making this post. So glad.

      
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