Horrible attack on the most vulnerable in society.

So how many were involved, who made the bomb, to what degree are ISIS involved in the planning? How will society combat this kind of attacks in the future?

Lets try to keep this thread a civil alternative to the train wreck of a thread in the Politics forum.

Manchester

when the britain stop their support for US-Terror against muslims i guess the suicide bombing will stop.

oops, that was a weird mistake to make..

Could a mod please change the title?

If you believe this then you haven't understood the nature of the problem. This kind of terrorism has little to do with the concrete actions of the UK.

then why are nations that are less involved in US-terror less hit my muslim terror?

Are they? Which countries are most involved in 'US-terror'? France seems to suffering most by Islamic terrorism, but also Germany, Sweden and Belgium have suffered.

Here is a list of Ismamic terror attacks in Europe since 2014. Tell me more about the patterns we see here and maybe you could also rank these countries on a 'US-terror' scale while you are at it.

Almost made it ten posts before the conspiracy theory derp was brought up

yea its sad that 90% of people believe what is spoon fed to them on TV

Please keep conspiracy theories well away from this thread

You would have thought that after the French surrendered, they would be left alone. But no...

Forgot to add the actual list, lol. Meant to add this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...%80%93present)

The first few pages in P of people speculating whether or not it might be pyrotechnical issue was particularly bizarre.

Just be honest when something like this happens there is like a 98% chance it was radical Muslim terrorists. I dont see whose feelings your they are trying to protect. Lets dance around the issue in case we offend any radical islamic terrorists who might be skimming the politics section on 2+2 and get falsely accused of blowing people up.

I do think it is possible to criticize Islam without hating on Muslims. I think alot of people both on the left and the right cant make that distinction in their heads, in fact I used to not be able to. And to be fair I kind of get the defensive reaction as well when I see some of the ****e being spouted about Muslims online.


I have an aunt who lives in LA and is a Scientologist, I can criticize her ideology all day and no one will blink an eye. My sister and her family who I love dearly are Muslim and if I criticize Islam then I am a suddenly a racist bigot.

My heart goes out to the victims and their families what a tragic pointless waste waste of life. They had their precious lives cut short to appease some imaginary dude in the sky and to be sent to a non existent after life.

my last post got deleted so i will stay within the forum rules this time

my condolences to victims who were likely teen and pre teen girls going to a pop concert

i cant talk about the cause, prevention, or repetition of this problem so i will just wait until it happens again and repeat my condolences

It's a matter of taking some care not to make this about the vast majority who are not at all responsible for the atrocities of the extremists

We have people like Katie Hopkins calling for a 'final solution'. Many more would love to ferment hatred/division so it's not much to ask that we take a bit of care not to use language that stokes the fire.

Juan. if you want to discuss immigration policy then there's a thread for it. Take care to discuss it carefully.

Jeezlaw, how about you take your itchy trigger finger off that delete button? How many posts have you deleted in this thread? The posts turn up on my mail, so I can read them, but can't reply. Do you want this to be a condolences thread alone?

You are absolutely killing any worthwhile discourse.

Incredible isn't it. In a thread discussing a brutal, disgusting terrorist attack we can't actually discuss the ideology that caused it or how to combat that ideology, because it isn't PC.

You can discuss the ideology of the people responsible and how to combat it. The terrorists and ISIS for example

What's not PC is lumping in others who do not share that extremist, murderous ideology.

Well, whether it's PC or not the whole Islamic religion is part of the problem and part of the solution. You can't discuss jihadism without referencing Islam as a whole. The ideology behind these attacks is jihad and the only way we are going to combat it is with the help of Muslims from within their own religion in denouncing jihad vociferously. Moderate Muslims have to help us fight this much more than they have up till now.

So take care to say what you mean. We have to help moderate Muslims whenever we can. they have no special obligation to speak out but like so many others they have

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7751576.html

That's all well and good and they should be commended for it, but it's not addressing the root cause of the problem.

Yep. so much for "unchained". Don't really need two echo chambers.

We may have found the line. We can discuss much more than simply condolences but your idea of the root cause is, I suspect, going to run into problems. Sorry but I make no bones about the fact we have a line even if it's vague.

Unchained died some time ago. The forums are different as you will find out if you post in both for long but the PC bias here is quite explicit.

you're still a clown... but this is actually pretty funny