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Old 11-26-2014, 11:39 AM   #176
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Re: LOL Row Coach... peak is still here.

you continue to add "micro-hybrid," which 1) was never in the original claim, and 2) only relevant for when your car is idled ... please stop changing the parameters of your argument as it continues to devolve.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:47 AM   #177
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you continue to add "micro-hybrid," which 1) was never in the original claim, and 2) only relevant for when your car is idled ... please stop changing the parameters of your argument as it continues to devolve.
Micro-hybrid are cars like the Honda Civic Hybrid and the Prius. That includes things like turning off the engine while idling, regenerative braking, and other measures for capturing energy lost while driving. My hybrid is a 2007 model and has all of these things to get around 40-45 mpg.

It was in my original claim. Now who should read more carefully?

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Jiggs, you don't need to remove all oil dependence. Hybrids are a perfect example - they still use gas, but they use the battery to dramatically improve fuel efficiency. Improving fuel efficiency means demand for oil goes down. It means the effects of higher oil prices are diminished. And so on and so forth.

Average fuel efficiency has gone up by something like 20% over the last 10 years and is still increasing.
This is the exact post where you first replied with your silly number:

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When talking about improved fuel efficiency through technology little of this does matter. I'm not even sure you realize that the majority of hybrids don't require charging stations because the source of its battery power is just reclaiming energy that would otherwise be wasted.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:49 AM   #178
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Micro-hybrid are cars like the Honda Civic Hybrid and the Prius. That includes things like turning off the engine while idling, regenerative braking, and other measures for capturing energy lost while driving. My hybrid is a 2007 model and has all of these things to get around 40-45 mpg.

It was in my original claim.
But NOT in my linked claim that you had a hissy fit over... Please try and follow along.

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Now who should read more carefully?
It remains you.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:59 AM   #179
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You were using your linked claim to respond to me. So you just felt like it was totally relevant to switch what we were talking about?

LOL JIGGS.
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:22 PM   #180
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You were using your linked claim to respond to me. So you just felt like it was totally relevant to switch what we were talking about?

LOL JIGGS.
It's rather Gambool of you to get exposed, offer a half-assed concession, and then double down, come back and try to reverse the chairs.

Your water-muddying efforts will not save you. EVs are no game-changer, and that will be clear long before 2040. It's the same for fusion, fission, bio-diesel and every other "energy savior of the future (and always will be)" that will never transition the global edifice built upon liquid crude.

Again, are you sure you know understand how electricity is made and stored?

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Old 11-26-2014, 01:22 PM   #181
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I'm pretty confident we can let others judge who's wrong here. My posts talking about hybrids are there for everybody to see, and how you then tried to change it to just electric/plug-in type vehicles.

Don't worry jiggsy. I'm sure some day you'll be proven correct.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:23 PM   #182
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On another note, has anyone ever compared graphs from peak-oilers over the years? I see a lot of graphs from them that show recent drop offs in various metrics. But were they showing the same types of graphs 10 years ago? And if so, how do they reconcile current graphs not dropping off where they use to show the drop off?
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:37 PM   #183
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I'm pretty confident we can let others judge who's wrong here. My posts talking about hybrids are there for everybody to see, and how you then tried to change it to just electric/plug-in type vehicles.
Also there for everyone to see is your concession that you botched your argument regarding EV sales, and hand waved my link as some "wacko site."

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Don't worry jiggsy. I'm sure some day you'll be proven correct.
LOL... I'm not worried. And I'm already proven correct. On everything from the 500% increase in price within a decade, to the FACT (and not a typo) that the government sees hybrid sales as piddly as far out as 2040.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:40 PM   #184
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So, did peak oil already happen?
The title of the thread says it is STILL HERE, implying that it was here before and is here now. I thought it was a specific event that would happen at a specific time.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:41 PM   #185
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On another note, has anyone ever compared graphs from peak-oilers over the years? I see a lot of graphs from them that show recent drop offs in various metrics. But were they showing the same types of graphs 10 years ago? And if so, how do they reconcile current graphs not dropping off where they use to show the drop off?
Is this where you attempt to baselessly tie the claims of others to me in a desperate attempt to wiggle out of your dumb argument the past few dozen posts? Let me know what you find, and I'll try and avoid tying the endless array of laughably wrong cornucopian forecasts over the years to you.

You should probably stop posting now, and maybe come back when you have a firmer grasp of the subject material.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:45 PM   #186
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LOL... I'm not worried. And I'm already proven correct. On everything from the 500% increase in price within a decade, to the FACT (and not a typo) that the government sees hybrid sales as piddly as far out as 2040.
I don't think you know what 'hybrid' means. They think its going to be over 1/3 of the market. It's right there in front of you.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:48 PM   #187
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Jiggs, I would love to know more about what you actually do and how you interact in real life. I don't expect you to share that information (I won't for myself), but people like you - so convinced you're right and so deluded that you can't even bring yourself to concede a simple mistake - fascinate me. I don't know someone like you in real life. Or at least I don't think I do.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:50 PM   #188
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So, did peak oil already happen?
The title of the thread says it is STILL HERE, implying that it was here before and is here now. I thought it was a specific event that would happen at a specific time.
We are at the plateau of conventional oil production, and have been since 2005 ... Total liquids growth has only been moderately maintained by enormously expensive unconventional production of oil synthetics and natural gas.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:51 PM   #189
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I don't think you know what 'hybrid' means. They think its going to be over 1/3 of the market. It's right there in front of you.
Irony.

Adding micro-hybrids doesn't do very much for your argument. Sorry.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:54 PM   #190
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You win Jiggs. I'm wrong and I apologize for being wrong.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:55 PM   #191
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Jiggs, I would love to know more about what you actually do and how you interact in real life. I don't expect you to share that information (I won't for myself), but people like you - so convinced you're right and so deluded that you can't even bring yourself to concede a simple mistake - fascinate me. I don't know someone like you in real life. Or at least I don't think I do.
I view your ilk in a similar light ... cept I don't share the fascination with those mired in perpetual denial.
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:06 PM   #192
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But I assume the majority of people you meet in real life don't believe in your peak oil theories? Or at least greet your idea of their severity with a lot of skepticism.
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:43 PM   #193
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But I assume the majority of people you meet in real life don't believe in your peak oil theories? Or at least greet your idea of their severity with a lot of skepticism.
Some completely agree. Some don't. Humans are hard-wired toward a survival instinct, so it's not surprising this kind of sober reality pushes many through the stages of grief first. Especially anger and denial.

In any event, the diagnosis - involving symptoms like production data, the dying rate of recoverable discovery, and the failing economics - doesn't need skeptics to believe in it or not. Much like cancer, the illness is still there and must be dealt with eventually.
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Old 11-26-2014, 09:32 PM   #194
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Jiggs plays Madden, gets thrown out of resilience.org communities, and has been repeating this same drivel across different internet forums going on a decade.
Your desperation to glean anything about my personal life leads you to guesswork at about a 33% clip of accuracy ... Much like your NFL handicapping, no doubt.
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Old 11-26-2014, 10:46 PM   #195
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where's Jim to tell us more about his region, and how this is all "ridiculous propaganda?"
“Everybody is trying to put a very happy spin on their ability to weather $80 oil, but a lot of that is just smoke,” said Daniel Dicker, president of MercBloc Wealth Management Solutions with 25 years’ experience trading crude on the New York Mercantile Exchange. “The shale revolution doesn’t work at $80, period.”
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:46 AM   #196
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You haven't posted about peak oil on multiple Internet forums or you don't play Madden?
awww... look at you, pretending you don't know what I'm talking about regarding your latest troll post.
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Old 11-27-2014, 09:53 PM   #197
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I've been busy. There's a ton of shale oil wells to frac here. I mentioned here before that I live in NM.

I don't really know how to respond to your post. Seemingly you are predicting an end to shale drilling in the US? Or maybe just TX?

There's no doubt that lower oil prices will fold out some of the weaker hands, but I don't see your doomsday scenario unfolding anytime soon. Fortunately it seems like we're going to get to see very soon whether your predictions are any good.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:14 PM   #198
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There's no doubt that lower oil prices will fold out some of the weaker hands, but I don't see your doomsday scenario unfolding anytime soon. Fortunately it seems like we're going to get to see very soon whether your predictions are any good.
Has Jiggs actually made any predictions? I don't think he's made a single claim that we'd be able to prove/disprove in 5 years time.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:22 PM   #199
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Has Jiggs actually made any predictions? I don't think he's made a single claim that we'd be able to prove/disprove in 5 years time.
I'm pretty sure if we went back through his posting history on this subject we could find lots of broad predictions. I haven't followed closely enough to say for sure. Peak oil has been around since the 60's or something and has had to backpeddal it's claims over the last several decades.

He sure seems to be advancing a theory here that the shale drilling is finished, that it was all smoke and mirrors to begin with, and that the fraud will soon be fully exposed. It's kind of an exciting time for this discussion because the rubber is about to meet the road, so to speak.
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:36 PM   #200
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I don't see how the rubber is meeting the road now if it hasn't before. Like basically all of the past predictions have been proven wrong or at least not a major problem.
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