Moving right along, the Second Rule of Libertarianism states that it is important to get extremely snotty when statists misunderstand what your version of Libertarianism is. Take care not to accidentally violate the First Rule when doing this! You don't want to accidentally talk about what Libertarianism is when whining about how people don't know what Libertarianism is.

Where, exactly, did you learn this? I'm not even going to dispute it, I'm just curious to know where you're getting it from.

Right. You're actually interested in an intellectually honest discussion, but those durn libertarians just refuse to tell you what we're talking about! That's why you started this thread, because you're genuinely curious and want to have an edifying, stimulating discussion!

Let's go back 10000 years. You come across a subsistence farmer. You tell him, hey, nice crops you got there, but I can't let your kids help out with the farm, OK?

What happens to the output of this farm?

I didn't start the thread, that was the not-real Trolly. But sure, loling at Libertarian facllacies is a big part of what it's all about.


So, to cut to the chase, this meme is something you came up with, and not something you picked up on from books or anything?

I mean, it's not such a crazy idea that kids used to work on their parents farms or whatever. In primitive societies today of course the kids help out gathering food and whatnot.

I'm not insisting libertarianism means anything. It's almost like I've asked you repeatedly for clarification but you can't or won't tell me.

No idea what you mean in the rest of the para.

pvn:

This how I view how a typical internet conversation about libertarianism goes, in threads about libertarianism. I also consider it is happening in this very thread. If you disagree, feel free to explain why.

Libertarian: Man, government is just the worst. Can you believe that [insert issue; e.g., drone strikes, war on drugs, lying government officials] is happening??

Non-libertarian: Yeah, I agree that these are awful things. I don't know much about libertarianism but am interested in finding out more about it. Could you clarify what libertarianism actually is. Next, can you tell me about how a libertarian society might deal with [the issue you brought up]? Finally, if _____ is your proposed solution, did you consider that _______ would be a pretty significant drawback?

Libertarian: OMG this is SO unfair. Do you expect me to have ALL the answers? Cannot believe you need ONE HUNDRED PERCENT bulletproof assurance that everything will be 100% PERFECT.

Non-libertarian: Wtf? I just want to learn a little more about libertarianism in this thread that is about liber****ingtarianism.

No / the poorest and otherwise most vulnerable?

lol

please, go back and actually read the OP and tell me that's what happened in this this very thread.

Could you be more specific? Like, urban, inner-city black kids are going to show up at the mine? How are they getting there? Is a guy with a waxed moustache and monocle rounding them up?

A lot of posts mocked libertarianism (most of the thread). Others wanted to learn more about libertarianism, asked, and were met by you dodging questions and complaining about how UNREASONABLE is it to assume that posters in a thread about libertarianism would actually talk about libertarianism.

Look, we all get that you think libertarianism gets an unfair treatment here. Well, you have a chance to put that right by engaging in discussion and making informative and substantive posts. I won't hold my breath.

From the tone of your original "question" it's clear you already know the answer, so how about we skip the Socratic routine and you just tell us what you think and what your point is?

No, I don't know the answer. I'm actually wondering who these kids that are going to work the mines are.

I mean, lol for reals man. You want us to believe you really don't know what libertarianism is, you're JUST ASKING QUESTIONS, even though you're absolutely sure "looser drug laws" is not at all anywhere near anything that could possibly be described as libertarianism, and even though every one of your oh-so-honest questions jumps straight to an assumption of complete anarchy, but it's just self-evident where these masses of kids will come from and anyone who doesn't unquestioningly accept it must be UP TO SOMETHING.

PokerIMO, OK, let's pretend like you actually do have no understanding of libertarianism. Missiledog refused to answer these questions, maybe you could take a whack at it.

Do you find anything lol-worthy about these ideas?

It's impolite to actually ask pvn what Libertarianism is. He's not about to violate the Prime Directive of Libertarianism, and it's offensive for anyone to suggest he would. If you statists would be more polite and stop ASKING QUESTIONS, the maybe we could have a nice conversation about the NSA or drones or something.

The responses you get from libertarians on these questions aren't any worse than the responses you get from liberals on questions like "what about free riders?"

I mean it's really quite simple. In the libertarian utopia, child labor would be legal and parents would be free to not send their kids to school. So before long, we'd have an illiterate underclass which will be sent to work in the mines and do other **** jobs for the absolute minimum they can be exploited for, with absolutely no possibility of upward mobility, despite the rich telling them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Can you stop using the passive voice? I think that would help a lot. So there are these kids who "will be sent to work". OK, who is sending them?

FWIW, this sounds pretty much exactly like common core objections, something something our kids "will be sent to obama indoctrination camps". And note, parents are free to not send their kids to school today, in the real world.

I'd like to get an o/u on the number of parents that secretly want to send their kids to a coal mine but just can't because that dumb school down the road opened.

They'll need to feed themselves, won't they? And since they are completely uneducated due to deregulating all education, they'll have no choice but to take whatever ****ty job they can get. Since there is also no regulatory oversight at the workplace, they'll likely inhale toxic fumes and succumb to cancer before they reach the age of 40.

We hope, but alas no. However, I may be convinced Alabama State government exists in a less than real world.

Oh and lol just like common core.

You don't get it, do you? Rules against child labor and compulsory education go hand in hand. There are plenty of parents out there who are not exactly doing a great job raising their children. If education wasn't compulsory, these children would have absolutely no future. They wouldn't learn to read or write. These are the people who would end up working in the mines.

Right, I hear you, I'm asking how many parents you think are going to be like, "lol school, I want my kid to go to the coal mine instead"

Come on, guys. Pvn's just asking you simple questions about your beliefs. Why can't you give a solid answer?