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Gay and bisexual men convicted of now-abolished sexual offences in England and Wales are to receive posthumous pardons, the government has announced. Thousands of living men convicted over consensual same-sex relationships will also be eligible for the pardon.

Lib Dem peer Lord Sharkey, who proposed the amendment to the Policing and Crimes Bill, said it was "momentous". It follows the pardoning of World War Two code-breaker Alan Turing for gross indecency in 2013. Under the amendment - dubbed "Turing law" - deceased people who were convicted of sexual acts that are no longer deemed criminal will receive an automatic pardon.

There is some controversy as a pardon still implies guilt

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02-06-2017 , 08:49 AM

spanktehbadwookie

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Qs got erased?

02-06-2017 , 09:20 AM

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Qs got erased?

I really struggle with the 'Q'.

It was so derogatory when I was growing up. if you watch the video you will see George Montague talking about being put on the 'queer list' by the police. It wasn't meant in a nice way.

LGBT still seems quite standard so I don't think I'm imposing. It can be changed if anyone seriously objects.

02-06-2017 , 09:24 AM

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I and, I assume, most of the rest of the queers object. A few are likely odd enough not to care.
Go check out the huff post's "queer" section for more information.

02-06-2017 , 09:25 AM

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Congratulations on the Turning law!

It seems the Q part is purely subjective. Why is it included?

02-06-2017 , 09:27 AM

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I and, I assume, most of the rest of the queers object. A few are likely odd enough not to care.
Go check out the huff post's "queer" section for more information.

Okay. I've changed it. No offence intended.

02-06-2017 , 10:02 AM

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Okay. I've changed it. No offence intended.

Thanks, and I know you didn't intend offense. in my view, you may as well have accidentally highlighted a genuine part of the community story.

02-06-2017 , 10:16 AM

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LGBTQIA is the preferred nomenclature now.

In 10 years or so it should include the full alphabet as well a few numbers, perhaps a dollar sign as well for those who identify as a wealthy person, who where born in a poor persons body.

02-06-2017 , 10:21 AM

mongidig

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That's funny! But true!

02-06-2017 , 10:41 AM

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Amazing things like growth seem to happen after supremacists stop telling people their identities.

02-06-2017 , 11:06 AM

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It would be interesting to discuss the semantics of what the pardon means; whether it's recognising moral innocence or the existence of bad law, but I fully take the point that an official apology should have been made years ago. It would be right if Turing's name were only mentioned as one of the greats, instead it's a story of immense sadness.

02-06-2017 , 11:34 AM

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What does the IA stand for?

02-06-2017 , 11:38 AM

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Intersex and Asexual.

02-06-2017 , 08:41 PM

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The "Q" is also often thought of as "questioning", which makes more sense than "queer".

02-06-2017 , 09:51 PM

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It's like an odd crossover of Q words

02-08-2017 , 05:11 PM

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Will the AI robots program themselves to have a sexual orientation? They may - for better acceptance and interaction with the remaining human population that is still around. Currently many humanoid robots are now designed rather androgynous, by intent, but not always so, based on intended function.

Sexual evolution is interesting, it is a subset of the overall theory of natural selection (sexual selection being a subset of natural selection).

how-did-sex-start/

In a very real sense all humans are pre-programed sexist.

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02-08-2017 , 05:34 PM

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Pre-programmed sexist huh?

Is that more or less like saying-
life has sex
or
your the wrong sex says my pre-programming
?

What I am asking for is like the context of such a statement in politics?

We should vote to become sexist robots?

02-08-2017 , 06:07 PM

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The "Q" is also often thought of as "questioning", which makes more sense than "queer".

That's why you'll sometimes see 'LGBTQQ.'

02-08-2017 , 07:04 PM

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Isn't it hilarious that the silly gays can't get their acronym sorted?

02-08-2017 , 09:19 PM

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Okay some rulings

1) lets move on from the name.
2) this is not a thread for discussing the origins of sexuality or why people have the sexuality that they do.

This is a thread for discussing news and political issues that effect the LGBTQ community. Keep it respectful please.

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02-08-2017 , 10:24 PM

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Jeff Sessions is everything from a serious concern to a grave threat to community civil rights.

02-15-2017 , 08:49 AM

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Lordjvk and Love Sosa. Not in this thread please, here we're discussing policies and issues that effect the LGBT community. We're not discussing the language or how best to debate those issues.

02-15-2017 , 09:28 AM

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My brother is gay. He lives in California, where pretty much anything goes I guess. He's married to a man who seems like a good guy.

02-15-2017 , 10:32 AM

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Jeff Sessions is everything from a serious concern to a grave threat to community civil rights.

It does appear that transgender people will not be protected under this administration.

02-15-2017 , 01:48 PM

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Intersex and Asexual.

And there are plenty of instances of intersex groups NOT wanting to be lumped into the alphabet soup. Their situation is not an 'orientation' or 'choice' but rather is a defined matter of medical fact...in some instances, the individual may fall under some other letter and those individuals claim the appropriate letter.

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