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Old 09-07-2016, 01:19 PM   #126
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I've muted, or changed the channel, for the anthem for years. Bring the hate.

It's a tired old song about the "glory" of war and slavery, written by a slave-owning anti-abolitionist, and sung by one trendy pop star after another trying to out-gliss the one from the night before, taking up 4 awkward minutes to do a 90-second piece.

Besides, after this guy's rendition in 1982, they should have just declared the contest over and played his recording ... And even then, only before important games/events.


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Old 09-07-2016, 01:23 PM   #127
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I'd stand if they played this.

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Old 09-07-2016, 02:52 PM   #128
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I love these simplistic statements.

Drunk driver kills a family of 5. Oh well. If you decide to drive, bad things can happen whether you deserve it or not. THEY KNEW THE RISKS!
what are the odds of being killed by a drunk driver?

What are the odds of getting a beat down or being shot by a cop if you commit crimes over and over?

Do you see how absurd your example is?
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:44 PM   #129
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Except we're not talking about just ' omitting crimes over and over'. You listed a whole bunch of things including giving attitude to a cop or 'acting suspicious'.

I'm going to guess the odds of dying for people doing these things are roughly the same as dying from a. Drunk driver.

Although, It doesn't change the point anyway. Your statement still applies to the drunk driving example. Or going to the beach and getting eaten by a shark. It's just a dumb statement.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:50 PM   #130
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what are the odds of being killed by a drunk driver?

What are the odds of getting a beat down or being shot by a cop if you commit crimes over and over?

Do you see how absurd your example is?
Do you see that a large chunk of the problem is that there are too many cases where "black man in a hoodie" is enough to be considered "suspicious"?
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Old 09-07-2016, 06:15 PM   #131
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The freedom to sit or stand, spit or salute during the national anthem, to express your approval or disapproval of this country is such a core US principle, if the NFL punished Kaep they would be acting less patriotic than he is. Their refusal to do anything to stop him makes me want to stand up and sing:

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Old 09-07-2016, 07:36 PM   #132
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Do you see that a large chunk of the problem is that there are too many cases where "black man in a hoodie" is enough to be considered "suspicious"?
White man in a hoodie is suspicious also.

A hoodie, pulled up to conceal your face, is suspicious by it's very nature. If I walked around with a ski mask on I can expect to be approached by law enforcement, even if they can obviously tell I'm Asian (eyes ftw), because it appears that I'm trying to hide my face.

Sorry dude, but if you are working the counter at 7-11 and 3 white guys walk in with hoodies covering their faces you are going to have a "wtf" moment. If you have 3 black dudes walk in wearing suits, I doubt you would have that same reaction.

Dress and appearance mean something. If you wear jogging pants and a tank top to a wedding you should expect to be treated in a different manner than if you wore something more appropriate. Hoodies give off a specific vibe, just as a short skirt with your ass cheeks hanging out. It doesn't mean you are a criminal and it doesn't mean you are a whore, but there is baggage that comes along with dressing like that, and there is a reason why.
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Old 09-07-2016, 09:32 PM   #133
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:03 AM   #134
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In Ontario, and I don't know how this compares to American jurisdictions, police are generally paid quite well. It's not that hard to clear 100k/year. That's pretty good for a job that requires relatively little education background.

But similar to teaching and other important public service positions - attracting good candidates is only part of the problem. That needs to be coupled with a process for removing those people that aren't doing well. You can never hire for a position with 100% (or hell even a lot lower) success.

So increasing compensation gets you more good candidates - but it also gets you more bad candidates. And because picking good candidates from bad candidates is really hard (regardless of how much 'vetting' and additional hiring hurdles you add) - you need a process to fix your mistakes.

And that process simply doesn't exist. And without that, you're not going to get significantly better performance.
national average is about 50k which i would think is pulled up by rich suburbs. i think the officers in my urban area make 40k.
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:15 AM   #135
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Requiring a four year degree in policing, instead of two, and some minors in some psychology would get rid of some of the bad candidates.
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Old 09-08-2016, 01:54 AM   #136
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Megan Rapinoe didn’t get the chance to pull another Kaepernick... Wednesday night... The Washington Spirit... deci[ded] to play “The Star-Spangled Banner” before players came out onto the field.
LMFAO. The woman's soccer league running scared. Also telling, the US Soccer Federation, M.Rapinoe's employer that she and some other players are suing for wage discrimination, AFAIK hasn't made any statement regarding this workplace protest at all.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:06 AM   #137
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In Russia, Kaepernick would be given a long prison sentence. Trump's hero, Putin, might have even had his ass whacked to set an example. He'd have definitely made it mandatory to burn his jerseys. Anyone seen still wearing his jersey would go to prison.

I wonder how many of the jersey-burners in the US would prefer the Russian way of doing things.

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Old 09-08-2016, 01:05 PM   #138
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Correction, M.Rapinoe's team made a statement...

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...“We will continue to encourage all Reign FC players to participate in the pre-match ceremony, which honors those who have served and made sacrifices on our behalf,” the Reign said. “We will also continue to allow players to participate in the pre-match ceremony in a manner consistent with their personal beliefs, reflecting our respect for the rights earned and defended by those fighting for our nation.”...
The next Reign home match is Sunday @7pm pdt.
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Old 09-08-2016, 06:34 PM   #139
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Well, it's about two hours until the anthem before the NFL's opening game. Who knows if any Broncos or Panthers are going to take the knee?

In other Kaepernick Protest news, three college volleyballers took the knee last night in WV, the Santa Clara police have called off their 49er boycott, there are rumors of the Seahawks having a whole team 'surprise' on Sunday, and everyone's Fortunate One Senator's Son, Roger Goodell, whined that he doesn't like it.

ETA: Siding with Kaepernick, 49ers pledge $1 million to fight racial injustice.

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Old 09-08-2016, 06:56 PM   #140
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lol
After all this time that's all you got? I mean, Matt clipped your balls off, LG is banned, and Master3004 has me on ignore.

You should come back and help Master, Kerowo. He is lost without you. It's almost tearful.

There is also a slight possibility I collect 230 off Master3004 and 1,000 off LG. But, I won't dance on anyone's grave yet.

"lol", indeed, Kerowo.
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Old 09-08-2016, 09:03 PM   #141
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FWIW, I back his message, I respect his nerve, I DGAF about sitting during the anthem, but... tactically I'm not a fan of this kinda protest.
I was about to write a strongly worded retort here but first I will ask: why are you not a fan of this kind of protest?

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Legally, this is of course all wrong.
I don't think so. The players have a union. There is an applicable rule which states (unlike the NBA which does mandate players stand) that the NFL suggests players stand. If they negotiated that then I am thinking they can't change it. I would guess however that this is the last season you will see a player sitting for the anthem as that will be renegotiated.
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Old 09-08-2016, 09:09 PM   #142
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What would Obama's reaction be to white players joining Kaepernick? I'm thinking he would hop to.
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Old 09-08-2016, 09:30 PM   #143
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I was about to write a strongly worded retort here but first I will ask: why are you not a fan of this kind of protest?
I don't want to answer for him but in general there are many different ways he can protest without sending a signal that he doesn't care for a patriotic symbol of his country.

LeBron made the same point he did, yet in an entirely different manner. I think Kaepernick could have done the same.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:55 PM   #144
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i remember chris jackson/mahmoud abdul rauf doing this in the 90's in the nba, as i recall he got completely savaged. NFL bein progressive here. however, from a team/GM standpoint i could understand really not wanting the guy around. i'm sure there are players on the team who have family who have served or are currently serving in the military that this might be pretty offensive to, prob not the best for team chemistry, idk.
I almost grunched, read to check if Rauf had been mentioned.

Goddamn he could shoot that ball. Like the beta test version of Steph Curry.
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Old 09-09-2016, 12:26 AM   #145
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http://theundefeated.com/features/ab...tional-anthem/

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On March 12, 1996, the NBA suspended Abdul-Rauf for one game, citing a rule that players must line up in a “dignified posture” for the anthem. It cost him almost $32,000 of his $2.6 million salary. The players union supported Abdul-Rauf, and he quickly reached a compromise with the league that allowed him to stand and pray with his head down during the anthem. But at the end of the season, the Nuggets traded Abdul-Rauf, who averaged a team-high 19.2 points and 6.8 assists, to the Sacramento Kings.

His playing time dropped. He lost his starting spot. After his contract expired in 1998, Abdul-Rauf couldn’t get so much as a tryout with any NBA team. He was just 29 years old.


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Old 09-09-2016, 01:28 AM   #146
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The NFL regular season is underway, as the Broncos beat the Panthers 21-20 in a thrilling game. For those keeping score, the Brandon Marshall on the Broncos (not the one on the Jets), became the 4th NFL player to take a knee. Sunday can't come soon enough...

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I was about to write a strongly worded retort here but first I will ask: why are you not a fan of this kind of protest?...
Well, LOL @me for questioning C.Kaepernick's tactics. The head of the NCAA just compared him to Rosa Parks. To elaborate, I think it's pretty clear now that Kaepernick hasn't had tactics... that he's just winging it as he goes. Except for the pig socks misstep, his gut instincts have succeeded in "starting the conversation" beyond imagination. He could certainly declare victory today and give up as a hero.

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... I don't think so. The players have a union. There is an applicable rule which states (unlike the NBA which does mandate players stand) that the NFL suggests players stand. If they negotiated that...
According to PFT: "the Collective Bargaining Agreement is silent on the subject."
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Old 09-09-2016, 03:48 AM   #147
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Rosa Parks ? Lol. That comparison is ridiculous.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:16 AM   #148
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I don't want to answer for him but in general there are many different ways he can protest without sending a signal that he doesn't care for a patriotic symbol of his country.

LeBron made the same point he did, yet in an entirely different manner. I think Kaepernick could have done the same.
If protests were completely acceptable would they be protests?

Coerced patriotism is always disgusting. No one opposed to him seems to really care about what's in the guys heart. They just want him to obey. That's disgusting. If Kaepernick does nothing but draw out the nature of the slime who support the status quo then he has done something worthtwhile.
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Old 09-09-2016, 05:21 AM   #149
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All protests are not the same, some are viewed as much more distasteful than others. While I don't care much about people protesting seeing people burn a flag makes me angry. I'm not sure why that in particular makes me angry, but it does. Kaep kneeling during the anthem doesn't make me angry but I can see why it may make others so.
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All protests are not the same, some are viewed as much more distasteful than others. While I don't care much about people protesting seeing people burn a flag makes me angry. I'm not sure why that in particular makes me angry, but it does. Kaep kneeling during the anthem doesn't make me angry but I can see why it may make others so.
I'll be sure to burn a flag just for you.
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