Cool. It's only a small punt but I at least want a sweat from it. Not like in the World Cup when I drew Columbia and Cameroon or something daft.

Rutrow...

B.Obama's a Constitutional scholar, so he'll be walking back his "constitutional right" mention. Other than that however, the NFL, and by extension major sports in general, just got a request from the Bully Pulpit in Chief to let these protests run their course.

Come on now, Shamey, you know Obama is a champion of free speech, and he's not wrong here. Of course Kaep is exercising his constitutional right. What Obama (a fantastic politician) is leaving out is the NFL, a private company, has the right to discipline him, as you've pointed out. Obama is giving the NFL even more cover to do what is already in their best interest, remain neutral.

Btw, do you really think most of the Kaepernick Jerseys being bought lately are burnt?

I'm very far from a constiutional scholar so just asking questions. Could standing for the anthem type stuff be seen as a private activity rather than as part of the job making them akin to a spectator legally?

On the vendor point. I see what you're saying but a) I think the creative anarchy inherent in these situations is a very progressive force and b) it means the vendor shoud be the one mainly targeted by protests if they're the ones doing the sacking (whoever awards the contracts may be fair game as well).

It's still a constitutional right to sit during the anthem. Especially when in the context of statements made by a Government Official.

He can still be fired/disciplined for it. But that doesn't change the fact that he has the right to do it.

He's a joke, his football career is shot and he's trying to spin this political bs into something now. Like that sad failed Vikings punter that nobody even remembers now.

Fired yes, disciplined probably not. In this case NFL CBA probably is Kap's friend. Pretty sure NFLPA would fight some sort of suspension for this.

I think Kaep is sincere but his protest is ineffective. However, he has called a lot of attention to his protest and I read his jersey sales have increased a lot.

His jerseys are selling well in the Arab world and commie countries.

Grrr Arabs

Sure. I just meant more generally an employer can take actions against someone for exercising their constitutional rights (in cases like this) but that doesn't stop the action from being a constitutional right.

The NFL is out to make money. They give zero ****s what the POTUS says.

Sure. I was thinking about all those 20-something professional athletes, a plurality black men, who have had B.Obama as their POTUS for most of their adult lives. The NFL has said it's OK, now Obama flip-flops from "objectionable" to "constitutional right". That could start a bandwagon.

Anyone wanna WAG an O/U on how many NFL players take the knee this opening week?

This is exactly it.

Don't commit crimes, don't have multiple pryors, don't have a warrant out for your arrest, don't act suspicious, don't resist arrest, don't give the cop attitude.

Do we really think cops are hunting people because of the color of their skin?

If I'm a cop and I pull up your license and there is an extensive record, it's gonna put me into heightened state of stress. This is when bad things happen.

All these protests do is make the haters hate more and create more haters. Meanwhile the police can no longer do their job for fear of being judged.

Why is it some cultures whom have been "oppressed" have gone on to thrive, while others continue to play the role of victim.

Is this racial inequality we're talking about or economic inequality? I think this movement is a little confused.

Police are public servants who are hired to protect & serve, and they are paid by tax payers dollars. The idea that if you have prior convictions and/or arrest's that it automatically entitles you (the police offer) to allow your emotions to overcome you is totally absurd. Also what does "acting suspicious" mean? And why would I act complicit when being arrested if I haven't done anything wrong and the police in question are acting in a unconstitutional manner?

Obviously your not armed with any solid statistics or facts and would much rather spew your rhetoric and opinions. You seemly fail to comprehend the idea or the existence of institutionalised racism. A simply proof of this is that whites & black's use recreational drugs at the same frequency yet blacks are are arrested for drug related crimes 3x as much as their counterparts.

Lastly you say that other "culture's" have overcome their oppressions and now flourish rather than wallowing in their misery's of the past. I think the best cultural example of this is the Jews, but have you not taken into account that they have had a helping hand every step of the way? From yearly reparations from the German government or that the British government qallocated them and entire country with their own government, economy & military force etc... Not to mention that the U.S donates an Excess of $3 Billion dollars per year?



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Courts are ruled in their favor plenty of times. "Acting suspicious" gives the police leeway. It is not defined, it gives police a certain level of judgment in what is "suspicious" behavior or not. And yes, you should be complicit even when a police officer is acting in an unconstitutional manner. It is not up to you to judge what a police officer can do or not do while in that situation, and the courts have voiced their opinion by their judgments over and over again.

Ehh. Being "productive" doesn't mean much. If you are saying most of the people getting into it with cops are mostly scumbags, I can see that sort of argument (I don't agree with it, but I could see it), but whether they contribute enough to society doesn't mean anything to me. People can be total lazy pieces of crap. I'm fine with that. It's a free country.

I do agree Philly cops are rough. Heh.

Question, if you could get a significantly better performance from police officers by doubling the salary of police officers how much more of your income would you be willing to pay in taxes? The idea here is that becoming a police officer becomes much more difficult because people are vetted more completely, higher educational standards are mandatory, etc. but is counter balanced by the higher salary. If you want a lot better performance you are probably faced with much more expensive police forces.

It's this attitude "why should I be complicit?" That gets people beat up or shot. Here's a stat for you. Black people are 8 times more likely to resist arrest. Perhaps this helps to explain the imbalance in arrests.

Every race, religion, sexual orientation etc. has been oppressed at one time or another. Those whom have created change from within and let go of their bitterness have gone on to succeed.

Do you really think these protests are helping the cause?

You mean they are 8 times more likely to be charged with resisting arrest?

There's a huge gap between that and actually resisting arrest.

In Ontario, and I don't know how this compares to American jurisdictions, police are generally paid quite well. It's not that hard to clear 100k/year. That's pretty good for a job that requires relatively little education background.

But similar to teaching and other important public service positions - attracting good candidates is only part of the problem. That needs to be coupled with a process for removing those people that aren't doing well. You can never hire for a position with 100% (or hell even a lot lower) success.

So increasing compensation gets you more good candidates - but it also gets you more bad candidates. And because picking good candidates from bad candidates is really hard (regardless of how much 'vetting' and additional hiring hurdles you add) - you need a process to fix your mistakes.

And that process simply doesn't exist. And without that, you're not going to get significantly better performance.

So your essentially saying that if anyone happens to refuse an arrest for what they deem to be valid reasons he or she deserve's to be shot dead?

Is it not this mentality that is continuing the huge disconnect & divide between races in America? Why do everyday citizens have to act so subservient to a complete fool who's likely to have done no more than 6 months training post high school?

As far as "just get over it already" arguments go, have you not considered that perhaps the problems that African American's face in today's society are much more internal than they are external? When a women is pregnant she must ensure she stays away from drugs, alcohol, cigarettes etc. And create a stress free environment because all of this has a significant impact on the child. Now can you image what forced labour, poor living conditions, lack of nutrients and immense stress & trauma can do to not only the mother but the baby itself. This same treatment continued for 400 years and all the physiological torture & mistreatment has transmigrated itself into what you see today. So when you turn on the tv and you see another robbery or murder what you see as issues are actually symptoms...


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If you put yourself in bad situations, bad things can happen whether you deserve it or not.

Your second point sounds like and economicinequality issue not a racial issue.

I love these simplistic statements.

Drunk driver kills a family of 5. Oh well. If you decide to drive, bad things can happen whether you deserve it or not. THEY KNEW THE RISKS!

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