the nyc bomber was hit in the leg i believe(?), which i would assume wasn't intentional. i dont believe cops are told to shoot for legs, but told center mass. If the Tulsa officer had missed and hit him in the leg im sure he would have been more likely to be apprehended similarly.

I'm not trying to say that this shooting couldnt have been prevented in any number of ways. I was just trying to imply that this in my opinion doesn't rise to the level of some of the previous ones. And i wont be surprised if this is deemed to not have been a bad shot for the officer.

Slighted,

Are you even entirely sure you're talking about the same incident?

I would like to further add the lack of judgement & morality that these public servants have. After he was shot they stood & watched for 3 whole minutes before a unrelated officer approached the victim and it was only then, that they called for the paramedics assistance. If you YouTube "Lee Rigby murder" in the UK you will notice as soon as the police disable the terrorist's they provide immediate first aid, because that right is forwarded to every & any person regardless of whom they are or what they have done. Cleary the overzealous nature of the American police force is something that needs to be questioned, scrutinised and eventually changed. But as long as the Wills & Mondigs of the world not only exist but are entitled to a platform to spew their misinformed rhetoric we are seemingly manny years away from any real change.


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And if economic inequality is caused by racism as well? The average black household has a fraction of the wealth that the average white family has. Then it becomes another than that shouldn't be protested against.

In any case the "few bad apples" idea is being discredited more and more. Whole departments are being shown to be complicit with injustice in their midst while not actively taking part of it themselves. The fail to ask obvious questions because the guilty party could be a boy in blue. Cops brazen lies repeatedly get exposed by video. Prosecutors in turn present the most favorable evidence to the grand jury with big hints to let the cops go.

The problem is all signs point to there being a lot more injustice out there. More and more cops are getting caught. But let's say it's not possible to change it. OK what then? As Coats says we must bear witness to injustice. We will continue to voice our opinion, kneel, sit, turn away, afflict those who are comfortable with injustice. As an American I feel it's out duty to stand up to injustice. I'm sorry you don't feel that way but I would suggest that you move somewhere where people are more comfortable with agents of the state being unjust.

while there are quite a few policies i'd like for the US to implement from the UK(strict gun control and no death penalty to name a couple) i doubt anything will come of that. also the police in the united states are increasingly militarized mainly due to the increase in federal funding because of the "war on drugs" bs that has gone on. And they need to be less military oriented and more service oriented. but these are things that don't appear to be getting better.

And these protests in my opinion, to get back to the point of the thread, wont do anything to change that. It will just continue the entrenchment that is going on. Not that i have any solutions to offer.

I think you are wrong. It's part of a protest movement that with cameras will eventually lead to a much better situation. The frustration is with the speed of progress not the fact of it.

This is the stance that bothers me the most. At least the other guys have some bad logic or underlying racism (whether they understand it or not) to say that the people that are dying somehow deserve it. That's what they believe, as shown in how they are defending these acts.


How can someone say they are against the death penalty but then think there is a problem with people speaking out against what looks like on-the-spot murder? We're not under martial law. I don't even care that the guy isn't complying. You don't shoot a man because he's not listening. Maybe has a mental issue like autism, or maybe (omg!) he's strung out on drugs. Too many police are too quick to reach for their guns in these situations where there are other avenues of action. I don't see a problem with protesters bringing up excessive use of lethal force to the forefront of society's conversation. I know you say you aren't offering a solution, but trying to shut down awareness or a simple conversation makes it look like one is afraid of the conversation because the issue is 'too hard'.

I'm entirely sure that facts won't get in the way of conclusions already made.

Over/under on % likelihood the Rigby killers leaving the scene alive in the US?

The NYC bomber wasn't on PCP. They could have killed him, however, they would prefer to take him alive to gather intelligence.

The Guy shot in Tulsa was on PCP, was acting erratically, posed a potential threat to the officers life.....stop putting yourselves in these highly intense situations.

Why is it liberals never address the true bad guy. Your more concerned with the rights of terrorists and criminals. You wonder why people laugh at you and dont take you serious.

If your gonna critic the police for not acting properly you should also critic the individusl who got shot for not acting properly.

Oh ****, did the Tulsa tox reports come in? I hadn't seen them yet. Could you like me to them?

Alao, when did taking PCP become a capital crime?

does the opinion proclaim that "THEY DESERVE IT" or does the opinion proclaim that"THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN blah blah blah" ? ? ?

im pretty sure steven crowder nowhere implied that those who were shot "deserved it"

Words matter

the words used by the people who are afraid of guns MATTER.

the words they use too often exagerate/bend the truth to manipulate perception. to make things seem worse than they are. pretty disgusting really. makes you wonder whats going on amirite? or should make you wonder, provided you dont have your head up your ass IMO.

another cool example of this weasely deception/dishonesty is the exploitation of gun statistics.

disingenuous gonna disingenuous

psychos

One of these two things leads to an unnecessary death.

Anything in particular you have a problem with when people present gun stats?

umm

the gun shooting death stat that doesnt differentiate between accidents v suicide v justified v actual criminality?

Thee one

Got a Link? Last I checked we have around 32K gun deaths per year, a little under 2/3 are suicide, the majority of the rest are homicides and a negligible amount are accidental.

Do you feel it is appropriate to downplay the number of suicides for any reason?

Also, even if we take only homicides, the gun violence numbers simply dwarf any other first world country on Earth.

The "blah blah blah" in that awful video you posted having been "driving with his partner in the car an arbitrary distance from where an unrelated crime had occurred".

Blah blah blahs matter.

downplaying suicide? wtf you sjw troll

my links..






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When one utoobz fails more utoobz from the same idiot vlogger is bound to succeed.

I just hope he has enough jump cuts to pull it back.

Greetings NFL fans, and welcome to Week #5... of the Kaepernick Kronicles that is. For those keeping score at home, so far we have...

NFL Team	Week#1	#2	#3	#4
49ers	Butt(1)	Knee(2)	Knee(2)+Fist(2)	Knee(2)+Fist(4)
Seahawks		Butt(1)	Arms(53)	Arms(53)
Dolphins			Knee(4)	Knee(3)
Titans			Fist(3)	Fist(2)
Patriots			Fist(2)
Rams			Fist(2)	Fist(1)
Chefs			Fist(1)+Arms(52)
Broncos			Knee(1)	Knee(1)
Eagles				Fist(3)
Chargers				Fist(2)
Total	1	3	122	71

In Kaep Knee Knews, we really only have three bits of new news. Most significant is NFL Commissioner R.Goodell's flip-flop on these protests (below). At this point in time, the NFL has fully and openly ceded partial control of their workplaces to a subset of their workers, the players, for purposes of political expression. IMO this is huge, and easily the biggest win of these wildly successful protests.

For the kids out there... this isn't the first time the NFL has "blinked" in this kinda confrontation. The now ubiquitous post-game prayer circle wasn't always a thing. The NFL initially tried to suppress this, citing pre-existing rules, and threatening large fines. In response, the Giants and 49ers players openly defied the NFL and met in prayer after MNF on 1990-12-3. Legally, the NFL owners can clawback either of these capitulations at their whim, but as a practical matter their hands are tied by their own actions and the court of public opinion.

The takeaway is, as always, Direct Action Gets the Goods.

News bits 2&3 to follow. But first, here are the Week#5 matchups...

• Thursday Night Football, 5:25 pdt: Texans @Patriots. The Patriots scored in Week#3, but got shut out last weekend. The Texans haven't scored yet. This game looks like a double shutout waiting to happen.
  
  
• Sunday ~ morning games, 10:01: There are six morning games. Games to watch are the Rams @Buckineers, the Rams having scored the last two weeks. Of course the featured game is Kaepernick's 49ers at the arm linking Seahawks.
  
  
• Sunday ~ afternoon games, 1:05 or 1:25: There are eight afternoon games. All eight feature a team who scored in Week#3 or Week#4.
  
  
• Sunday Night Football, 5:30: Bears @Cowboys. Two virgins.
  
  
• Monday Night Football, 5:30: Falcons @Saints. Two more virgins.

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BAHAHAHAHAHA.

of course you're a Crowder watcher.

Also lol utbooz. Didn't watch

The second bit of news is that we might well be past Peak Kaepernick (PK).

If you count the arm-lockers, the number of NFLers protesting dropped from 122 to 71. BTW, some have questioned if this arm-locking is actually protesting at all, with J.Johnson of TheRoot writing "Seattle Seahawks #AllLivesMatter Protest Is an Act of Political Cowardice". IMO in context arm locking is protesting, but even if we ignore these folks, individual protests only increased by one in Week#4, with several teams and players dropping out.

TSN reported "Colin Who? NFL's TV partners bury Kaepernick protest story", while Forbes reported "The Colin Kaepernick Story Appears To Be Over". The news is the networks have pretty much stopped covering the protests. Other reports are that there was only a "smattering" of boos at the stadiums this week. The NFL players show no signs of taking it to the next level. Neither do the basketed deplorables... who instead seem to only be getting tired of whining about it on the interwebs. Right here ITT only about three of the last 300 posts have even been about the NFLers.

We are perhaps getting to the point where no1curr.

Now, it's football, so nobody knows how the oblong ball will bounce. On any given Sunday. Maybe this is the lull before the NFL protest storm. I'm sure we can all agree to hope beyond hope that some yet to happen tragedy isn't the trigger. But let's imagine we have passed PK. Would that mean the NFLer protests were a failure? Hell no... they are already a wild and historic success. The stated purpose was to "start a conversation". Mission accomplished !!!1!

Once again, LOL@me presuming to give tactical advice to now experienced, and much much more successful, activists like C.Kaepernick. However, and again if we assume we're past PK, a much stronger play is to declare victory and give up -vs- letting things slowly peter out.

hey 3004,

the videos cover this

and destroy this...

its what you asked for

no worries tho, i understand why you wouldnt wanna watch lol

you are sooooo adorable! mendacious in your assertion, but adorable nevertheless