The owner of the 49ers has essentially been forced to donate money given the spotlight on his team. Its kinda like when your at work and everyone is buying girl scout cookies from a co worker and you dont wanna look bad. It's not making him rich per se, but it is helping to maintain his wealth by avoiding any more negative publicity. Do you think he really wanted to do this?

Has any other owner donated money?

Kaepernick realized after the firestorm he too would have to put his money were his mouth is.

Strange how no one was donating money prior to all of this.

Then it becomes a catch 22. If things were improving why did the new injustice exist in the first place? The answer of course is things don't magically get better over time, it's only through continued effort and awareness that things get better. Posting Civil Rights songs is only an example that saying 'go slow' is nothing new. People have said that for over a 100 years (before the Civil Rights during various attempts at desegregation) for everything African Americans do, no matter what they do.

Every argument about oppression that I here from you guys referenses the conditions during the MLK days. The gap between how whites and blacks were treated was huge. If I didnt know any better and read this thread for the first time I would think blacks still didnt have the right to vote or use public drinking fountains or eat in certain restaurants etc etc.

The problem with this movement is the inability to forgive past wrongs, acknowledge positive gains and communicate to the public what current social injustices still exist.

I have no problem with protesting if you feel it will improve your situation. I just think people will take you more seriously if you stop acting like we are still living in the 60's. I don't ever here anyone complaining about what was happening in 2010.

Times have changed. Focus on the here and now and act in a preportionate manner.

Kaepernick is kneeling at a football game.

When protestors say that black people are arrested inproportionately to whites today, which of the above are they not doing? It sounds to me like they are communicating to the public a social injustice that currently exists. Are you saying that every protest must be prefaced with "we acknowledge that we have the right to vote and schools are integrated, but... we are still arrested at a higher rate than whites for the same crimes" otherwise you shove your fingers in your ears and lalalala past it?

What I guess you don't realize is that it takes so much longer because of people like you?

Yes, the world will move forward without you, wil. You don't have to sit here and stand it it's way though. Some of us would like to reach the future a little sooner.

This is comically wrong.

You're a fool if you believe a word of what you just said.

Lol at "the world will move forward without you". What ya gonna do, cry now? You sound worse than master talking about feels and how "your time is over".


Hahahah. Wow I know you guys are some world class dorks, but Jesus Christ dude get your head out of your ass and recognize reality a little bit. There is reality, and then there is this weird utopia destination you think we are headed towards, but it's being held back by the bad people like me. Awwww.

Lol gtfo with this nonsense.

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There's no way to know.

The point is that them pesky agitators actually achieved something through all their irritating protests. And unless you're going to make the argument that racism is dealt with and gone, we're kind of faced with the reality that doing something about it has always been more productive than not doing something about it.

All the guy's done is kneel down and it's getting a lot of attention for him but also attention for his cause. He's not hurting anybody, he's not disrupting anything, he's just kneeling for a minute while others stand.

Why would I cry? What are you even talking about?

I agree that the protests of the 60's and beyond were certainly justified and clearly effective in creating positive change within the black community.

If you believe that you are being treated unfairly then you should absolutely stand up for your rights.

I disagree with Kaepernicks method of protest. I also disagree that he is not disrupting anything. When this first happened, this could have gone either direction. It could have been very negative for the team. I have seen prominent black and white athletes voice their support or non support of what Kaep is doing. This has divided the country and Im sure there is divisiveness in the locker room. The media has hounded and will probably continue to hound the players and coaches. . There was talk of potential boycotts of the team. the potential for damage to the team is very real. This is the last thing they need while trying to prepare for the upcoming season. There is pain caused to those veterans who fought for this country and to whom the flag means something special. This is probably similar to the pain a black person may feel when people question their struggles.

I realize Kaepernick wasn't trying to draw attention to himself. Nonetheless, this type of behavior should be kept out of the work place.

Statements like yours are idiotic. "The world will move on without you". Lol, no ****. The world will move on without you, too.

It's just more of these fee-fee statements. It's the same crap from you idiots constantly. "oh, you're a bad person", "oh, you're just a bigot", "oh, your time is over". It's so prevalent in any argument to ANYONE who disagrees with ANY position held by the idiot left. Even Clinton just did it, calling half of Trump's supporters deplorables. All of you morons are cut from the same cloth. You sound like Master3004 (lol).

Someone's time is going to be over very shortly, and I don't think it'll be mine.

If you don't want this kind of behaviour in the workplace then don't bring something so politically charged as you claim it is like expecting all your employees to stand and sing the anthem to the workplace. I get that patriotism is stronger in the US than over here, but it's still mind blowing to me that silently kneeling is taken this way by some.

But again, we're back to the line of agreeing with the cause and not the method. Effective political protest necessarily has to garner this sort of attention or it's meaningless.

Is... Wil doing a victory dance that the world is going to get more racist and he's happy about that?

I mean, we all know he's a disgusting awful person, but man... I don't even know.

Wil, your entire argument against the push for equality and anti-racism is that it doesn't personally affect you and that it'll eventually get better. You realize things like this "get better" because of the people you're calling idiots? I haven't called you an awful person. I haven't called you names. You are, however, frustrating as **** to talk to. Any time anyone challenges you to think critically, you go off on this whole "omg you're just an idiot, I'm done with you" thing which I've seen you do countless times already in the mere month or two since I stumbled into PU.

So instead of taking "the world will move on without you" out of whatever context I was applying it to and responding with "what does that even mean? of course it will", maybe think for literally two seconds about why I would say that. Maybe, just maybe, I was responding to the words that you said about how time will pass and things will get better. I agree. Things will eventually change: as people like you who are against the change will eventually die off and a new generation who is less uneducated about the situation grow up and can help shape society's views. Meanwhile, I'd prefer to see that change come sooner than later, so I speak up about it. That's how the change happens, by the way...it doesn't just happen on a fixed timeline from when some law was enacted in the 1960s. It happens when people agree that it needs to happen. More and more people are figuring it out, but there are so many people like you, who claim to have no stake in the matter, who are gumming up the works because they can't spend any time thinking critically about it all. If it's going to happen anyway, why are you so set against it?

Like, I guess that's what I don't understand the most. You say that things are getting better, but you also say that you don't want them to get better? Or what? It's just weird to me that you'd take the line that supports racists. Note here that I'm not calling you a bigot or a racist. I'm just saying, you have no reason to stand in this movement's way then, right?

Before I reply, know that this will probably be one of the last times I ever engage a question or a comment from you again. I simply don't have time for people with alternate motives. When you say :

Makes me question where you're coming from. It's truly not hard to get my opinions on anything. Simply ask. I am not like the majority of people in this forum, I am honest and forthright. You don't need subterfuge with me, and judging how laughably wrong you actually are about my positions, furthering discussion is simply a waste of time with you.

I've never said this. Quote if you wish, but this is not my position at all.

Have done this with almost no one except Bladesman and 5ive, and only because they were spam/trolling me. And while I said I probably won't engage you further, I won't put you on ignore.

I openly welcome and continue to argue with people I openly dislike and who attack me personally. You couldn't be more incorrect, if you doubt that just ask around the forum. I'll engage anyone at any time about anything. I have >15k posts. You think I spend that time ducking arguments?

Again, all of this is garbage and doesn't represent my views at all.

It takes a special kind of mind to turn "called me a scumbag for defending child abuse" into "trolled me".

Ahh. So I see you recognize what's happening. So I'll ask the question : why is it happening? Are all of a sudden the racists are being awakened and now he is about to take the lead? Or maybe people like you are driving people towards him?

You people talk about self reflection and self awareness a lot. Maybe you should use that on yourself once in a while.

You ****ing idiots are about to give us an orangutan for the president of the united States. If this idiot wins, you and your side will complain for the next 4-8 years about how you really didn't do that, though. Amirite?

Wake. The. ****. Up.

LOL

So it's your conclusion that the American people are sooooo stupid, that their train of thought is basically "They want to call me racist? I'll show them! I'll vote in the MOST racist person I can."

And yet, we are the ones driving them to it. Not the guy who tells people they are so stupid they will vote for the most racist person to prove their non-racism.

Yeah

Hahahah. Thank you so much for this loltastic answer. So you truly don't understand, do you? I thought maybe you actually did know the underlying reason but are just a stubborn fool and won't give up your tactics. That's not the case. You truly don't know why.

Wow. You people are so out of touch and so brain washed you really don't understand how to read people anymore.

Yeah dude, a complete idiot is about to become president of the united States, and you can't articulate why. Is it because people think he's smart? Lol, no. Maybe more than half the country is racist? Do you think that's truly the answer?

Or maybe you and the rest of your ilk created such a toxic environment that independents are itching to drop a nuclear bomb on the idiot left to shut you guys the **** up.

Get your head out of your ass and try thinking like how your opponent's think instead of projecting how you think is how everyone else thinks, and the answer is right there in front of you.

It's a moot point now anyway, as I think the election is essentially over by the end of next week. The next time he takes the lead will most likely be the last time, she won't recover unless he does something incredibly stupid, which he has been better at avoiding lately. Im surprised you're smart enough to see that this early. I only hope we are somehow both wrong. I doubt it though.

Exactly how many ribs did you have to remove to be able to blow yourself?

I don't have to lean over far. Shrug. What can I say.