What civilized countries are missing? If you mean Muslim immigrants in western countries then polling has been done on them too.

You mean the PEW 'circle of doom'stuff? Why is that garbage?

From your own link:

"Muslim authors who calculate Aisha's age based on the more detailed information available about her sister Asma estimate that she was over thirteen and perhaps between seventeen and nineteen at the time of her marriage.[28] Muhammad Niknam Arabshahi, an Iranian Islamic scholar and historian, has considered six different approaches to determining Aisha'a age and concluded that she was engaged in her late teens.[29] Using the age of Fatimah as a reference point, the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement scholar Muhammad Ali has estimated that Aisha was over ten years old at the time of marriage and over fifteen at the time of its consummation"

but still we get

LOL

That she was 9 is the most widely accepted belief. It is hard to find anything factual from those times for stuff as precise as year of birth, heck many people in Afghanistan today don't even know their own birth date.

What matters is that Mohammed's marriage with Aisha has influenced Muslim culture and in some way legitimized child marriage.

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He doesn't even try critically think about the statistics he just 'presents factual information' in the worst way possible. He keeps posting the same debunked crap as fact over and over again. He acts like he is here to discuss information civilly but keeps spewing hate. He should be banned.

Yes, and Jesus's birthday being the 25th December is the most widely accepted belief and is almost certainly wrong too.

I agree, but as long as TS continues to assert this "fact" about Mohammed I will continue to point out the fallacy.

Again, what is this debunked crap you speak of? I see you guys are bringing up some questions, but you are not clearly debunking anything so far.

You're such a desperado man.

This is like quoting the scholars who say that Jesus didn't exist. The Muslim world thinks she was 9. The hadith literally say this. There are references to him watching her and her friends play with dolls, and sometimes joining in (I am not making that up, as crazy as it sounds).

That a handful of highly embarrassed liberal scholars desperately try to claim a greater age is to be expected if she was 9. Wiki often includes the fringe viewpoint/apology for completeness.



I'm debating with people who have no intelligence or honesty. It's sad.

I've literally never seen him cite a source and not deliberately lie about what he source said.

LOL

...And the desperate smearing continues. Do you want to put some money on this statement? Escrowed? With impartial moderators to decide?

@Marn, you realize that Tooth is a jew right? What do you think his tactic applied to jews would result in? The holocaust? He talks about 'Islamic enclaves' quoting articles about PLACES THAT ARE LESS THAN 2 HOURS DRIVE FROM WHERE HE SUPPOSEDLY LIVES. Why doesn't he drive there and give us pictures of proof? Ban this ****ing troll.

I'd take with a very large pinch of salt anything that such a person says about himself, including background, place of residence and qualifications.

Quoting what Muslims say out of their own mouths is "bigoted hate". Gotcha

Indonesia is a "Middle Eastern dictatorship"? Are you high?

Actually, he married a six year old. The marriage was consummated at 9, according holy sources. That you claim it is debunked is hilarious.

It's hate to post the opinions of Muslims themselves? The majority opinion of Muslim scholars? Amazing.

It is the height of irony to me that Trump is labeled a bigot/homophobe/hateful/xenophobe for wanting to stop muslim immigration.

Yet muslims are the most homophobic/hateful/xenophobic group of people in the world.

The progressive/communist left defend muslims/Islam in what seems to be the enemy of my enemy is my friend, in that the left is anti-freedom much like muslims in general are.

What I would personally LOVE to know is does a significant % of the left inherently understand the enemy of my enemy is my friend, or are most of them really that dumb and don't believe that muslims are extremely bigoted/homophobic/xenophobic/misogynists in general?

Indeed, but my point is at best he is delusional and totally full of ****. At worst he is a delusional freeform racist that is totally full of ****. Why hasn't he said that Aisha or w/e is estimated between 9 and 17? Not ****ing once.

I think it's great to call out and correct TS, but it's sort of hilarious to watch you guys get all up in a tissy about the Pew "circle of doom."

Quoted so he can't ninja this

Welcome back, Silver_Man2

Trolly is not debunking anything in his post.

I didn't know TS is Jewish, why does that matter? Frankly you sound antisemitic mentioning it as some kind of gotcha.

I live an hours drive away from 'no go zones', they exist.

I don't know how these 'Islamic enclaves' are different from 'no go zones' which are breeding grounds for Islamists, but Islamic enclaves sounds like it is overstating the Islamic part of those areas.

Because as I've said all along, he's a propagandist who's not interested in the truth.

What tactic? Posting the views of Muslims themselves?

You realize it's Muslims who are the only people on Earth, apart from small numbers of Nazis left, whose populations want in any number want to genocide the Jews? There's literally an organization with huge financial and moral support whose stated goal is to violently wipe Israel off the face of the map.

There is extensive proof of same, from well respected think tanks, including policy, intelligence, government and reputable news sources, including dozens of videos, and I have posted it. Here it is again:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5...ce-no-go-zones

You are barely literate however and I'm sure you wan't read it.

You're one of those people with a spinal cord and not much else, like Einstein mentioned, who marches in lock step with others. There's not much else going on there, sadly.

How would you possibly impartially determine which of your posts I've read?

The same reason I don't talk about the minority of scholars who say Jesus might not have existed when I talk about Jesus, or the Islamic professor who claims Muhammed never existed. Should I quote him when I talk about Muhammed, or be branded a liar? These are a fringe, minority views. Islamic scholars, and the haidth, has 9 & 10 (given that her birth month is unknown to an exact date) at consummation. Precisely because the mainstream view is so overwhelming, Wiki's own summary panel says this:



She was 6 at marriage and 9 at consummation.
What precisely have they corrected? I see nothing.