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01-05-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Read between the lines..

If the thread was about how to convince people of factual arguments then it is irrelevant if they are Trump supporters or not. In Bobs OP it was implied that supporting Trump is wrong and not only wrong but so wrong that he views them as lesser people because of their opinions. This is an arrogant and divisive attitude and will only turn those people further away from what he hopes to achieve.
No.

You are making up this interpretation because you are mad at "regressive liberals!!!!"

The hope is that if Trump supporters didn't believe these wrong things, then they wouldn't be Trump supporters anymore. I think that might be true for a few of them, but probably not very many.

The next hope is that if someone is going to support Trump, at least they do so based on reality and not utter bull****. How could they possibly evaluate the job that Trump does if they don't look at facts? They may still support Trump even if he fails by their own standards. That's bad for everyone.

The same is obviously true for liberals who hate Trump. There is a non-zero chance that Trump does a good job as president. Many liberals believe dumb things about Trump and are susceptible to the same confirmation bias. This sin't about being dumb or IQ--it's about motivated reasoning.
01-05-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
But which is worse: believing a group of people is factually wrong and in denial of reality or stating that an entire religion of people support cousin ****ing?
Most groups of people are factually wrong about many things, including Clinton supporters, we all know that.

First cousin marriage is common in the Middle East, that is a fact. I do however agree that it is harmful and sometimes hateful to use that fact to belittle Muslims. I steer well clear from that discussion as can't see any good coming from it.
01-05-2017 , 11:03 AM
You have two Wookies. __________________

( a little help plz )
01-05-2017 , 11:10 AM
TS still doesn't know what bigot means.
01-05-2017 , 11:14 AM
13all, seemingly others share my interpretation of Bobs post.

Otherwise I do agree with your post above, you could just as well swap Trump with Clinton though.
01-05-2017 , 11:20 AM
Hey guyz, I'm not normal, LOL.
01-05-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Marn
13all, seemingly others share my interpretation of Bobs post.

Otherwise I do agree with your post above, you could just as well swap Trump with Clinton though.
You could. But Republicans in general and Trump supporters in particular are, at this moment, less likely to accept facts and more likely to believe in conspiracies.

The tendency of liberals to believe nonsense about GMOs, vaccines and 9/11 "truth" is just as troubling, though not presently as immediate or as widespread of a problem.
01-05-2017 , 11:23 AM
13all, seemingly others share my interpretation of Bobs post.

Otherwise I do agree with your post above, you could just as well swap Trump with Clinton though.

What do you think the reactions to Bobs thread would have been if Trump was swapped with Clinton keeping everything else the same?

Last edited by Marn; 01-05-2017 at 11:27 AM. Reason: weird, editing became a double post?
01-05-2017 , 11:25 AM
Let's check out TS' sick rebuttal...

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Monster ****ing irony, dude? You're part of a troupe of clowns who scream "racist" and "homophobe" repeatedly at the slightest provocation, like obsessive mental patients - yet look at how broad those terms are.
Hm, gibberish right out of the gate,

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Here is what I said earlier:
And then a link to a convo I wasn't involved in, from a different thread.

Well, that's appropriately terrible. No need continuing?

Don't worry, I'm sure the breitbart comments section laps it up.
01-05-2017 , 11:27 AM
Pretty sure the democrats are going crazy right now with the whole, "Russia hacked the election" conspiracy. That seems pretty immediate and widespread at the moment without any factual evidence.
01-05-2017 , 11:30 AM
Meh, there's some evidence. tame_deuces made an interesting post in my thread. I didn't imagine it would get that much attention.
01-05-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
You could. But Republicans in general and Trump supporters in particular are, at this moment, less likely to accept facts and more likely to believe in conspiracies.

The tendency of liberals to believe nonsense about GMOs, vaccines and 9/11 "truth" is just as troubling, though not presently as immediate or as widespread of a problem.
I think this is a matter of perspective. I for one have no idea which group believes in more conspiracies and false news stories.
01-05-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Most groups of people are factually wrong about many things, including Clinton supporters, we all know that.

First cousin marriage is common in the Middle East, that is a fact. I do however agree that it is harmful and sometimes hateful to use that fact to belittle Muslims. I steer well clear from that discussion as can't see any good coming from it.
The quote was used to imply that British Muslims were cousin****ers and a comparison was made to southern rednecks. He is bigoted AF.
01-05-2017 , 11:35 AM
If the statement is 100% true (speaking hypothetically), is that still "bigoted" to you?
01-05-2017 , 11:35 AM
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I have family members who I love dearly that are Clinton supporters.

I try to engage in discussion with factual information and for some reason they seem to be unable to accept any statement I make even with reliable sources backing me up. It is the whole idea that they feel that they are entitled to their own facts. So they just deny everything that goes against their beliefs.

Granted, their vote will not have any real effect on the outcome of any Presidential election since we're on the coast. However, I feel bad that they are living their lives in a haze in anti-intellectualism and wish to help them.

Rather than accept that they'll probably die soon and that their opinions are meaningless in practical terms, I'd like to be able to find some way to break through to them. Yet, it seems difficult to do that with lifelong Democrats and Clinton cultists.

Has anybody had any success interacting with people like these on political or philosophical issues? If so, what have you done to get through to them?
Would this have been well received in the main Politics forum?

I think OP would have been banned for trolling.
01-05-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
If the statement is 100% true (speaking hypothetically), is that still "bigoted" to you?
If I were you I would evacuate ASAP and return under a new pseudonym

Last edited by Regret$; 01-05-2017 at 11:41 AM. Reason: However if I were me I would listen, but the choice is yours
01-05-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
The quote was used to imply that British Muslims were cousin****ers and a comparison was made to southern rednecks. He is bigoted AF.
Where is the quote?
01-05-2017 , 11:56 AM
Go Cntl+F for 'tooth' in the first 50 posts of the islam thread.
01-05-2017 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Gustafson26
Pretty sure the democrats are going crazy right now with the whole, "Russia hacked the election" conspiracy. That seems pretty immediate and widespread at the moment without any factual evidence.
this is a great post. you see dems are behind the 8 ball cause they just dont lie well. remember the video that started benghazi for just 1 example. you get caught a few times like that and peole tend to dismiss your claims. and what about those hacks were so bad. i mean they did not make up anything. i have yet to hear any proof that what wiki put out there was false. so maybe it was a good thing that americans got to see the true colors of the democratic machine as it stomped on bernies head and other things.
01-05-2017 , 12:00 PM
Plenty of people on the left think there is a high probability all this Russian **** is made up.
01-05-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
Go Cntl+F for 'tooth' in the first 50 posts of the islam thread.
What is it with you guys and confusing people? You all do it - 5ive, you, others. I've never said this stuff:
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The quote was used to imply that British Muslims were cousin****ers and a comparison was made to southern rednecks. He is bigoted AF.
about Muslims. That's Michael1999, who says some horrible bigoted stuff and should be banned for it. Chez is laying the groundwork for that now, but I can't believe that some of those statements are let stand, like them all being inbred.

Cousin marriage is almost a standard in the Muslim world - that's a simple fact - consanguineous marriage is >10% in nearly all Muslim countries. It's not the truth that's the problem - I don't think we've gone brave new world enough to ban people for factual statements - it's the implications that Michael draws that are horrible.

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01-05-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Would this have been well received in the main Politics forum?

I think OP would have been banned for trolling.
I don't know if OP would have been banned or not.

The post would have been received negatively and some people would have asked for specifics: which facts?

Others would have blasted the OP or otherwise not taken the post seriously.

Yes, main politics tilts left.

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I think this is a matter of perspective. I for one have no idea which group believes in more conspiracies and false news stories.
Pizzagate, birtherism, Obama being a secret Muslim...I think it's pretty clear.
01-05-2017 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gustafson26
Pretty sure the democrats are going crazy right now with the whole, "Russia hacked the election" conspiracy. That seems pretty immediate and widespread at the moment without any factual evidence.
Certainly Democrats are eager to accept the evidence, but there IS actual evidence connecting Russia to the hack of the DNC and Podesta. Democrats are probably overstating the evidence, but of course many Republicans are coming to the same conclusion.

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Originally Posted by becky88
and what about those hacks were so bad. i mean they did not make up anything. i have yet to hear any proof that what wiki put out there was false. so maybe it was a good thing that americans got to see the true colors of the democratic machine as it stomped on bernies head and other things.
You mean besides them being illegal? The fact that a foreign power (or some other entity) is attempting to sway the US election is a big deal.

They certainly might have made up things, many of the emails are unverifiable. More likely, though, the leaks were selective and timed to hurt one side in the election. The leaks also spawned numerous nonsensical conspiracy theories. I don't know if that was coordinated or just a "happy accident".
01-05-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by becky88
this is a great post. you see dems are behind the 8 ball cause they just dont lie well. remember the video that started benghazi for just 1 example. you get caught a few times like that and peole tend to dismiss your claims. and what about those hacks were so bad. i mean they did not make up anything. i have yet to hear any proof that what wiki put out there was false. so maybe it was a good thing that americans got to see the true colors of the democratic machine as it stomped on bernies head and other things.
This is 100% true!

I have yet to here that anything from Wiki leaks that wasn't true. This wouldn't have been an issue if Hillary won. Most people are not aware that these same hackers tried to get into the RNC site but failed. The Democrats have only themselves to blame for having a very flawed candidate and running a very flawed campagne.
01-05-2017 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
So it looks like you're spot on...


In case you think this is made up, a Muslim organization head weighs in:

I love that that's the best spin these inbreeding rednecks can put on their inbreeding...

It's "demonizing Muslims" to point out that they're practicing unhealthy and sick inbreeding. Thanks, leftists, you're really making the world a better place.
Who's confused Tooth? You can either admit what you actually said, skulk off into the night, or I can keep quoting you.

      
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