Monster ****ing irony, dude? You're part of a troupe of clowns who scream "racist" and "homophobe" repeatedly at the slightest provocation, like obsessive mental patients - yet look at how broad those terms are. Here is what I said earlier:

Yet here you are complaining about "doublespeak baggage" of fraction of the degree even if I grant you everything you believe? Are you ****ing serious? Physician, heal thyself, and then come preaching. The use of "bigot" here is perfectly normal.
No, not at all. It's not my fault you have a poor education and are not aware what words mean, or more importantly, what concepts mean. The concept of a "bigot" far predates its modern alternative usage as "someone not liking minorities". It used to be an ugly word - someone intolerant of different opinions - which used to be (and still is, in polite circles) considered an ugly thing when taken to the kind of extreme that regular P posters do, apparently in their daily lives.
You've always been glowing cinder hot.
I'm more right about what I post than you are about what you post. You're not even in the game, most of the thing, yet you think you're getting checkmates left and right. It's...I don't even have a word.
SuperUberBob's statement above is a classic bigot statement/worldview. You and your leftist pals in P are so far down the bigot hole you don't even know what normal is.
Weren't you the mod of BBV? Isn't that a tad ironic?

This from a guy who barks "cucks" at every opportunity. No self-awareness in these types.

Strong and clear minded is more to the point.

The man finds his family odious because of Trump ?? Being open to the consideration that the other person has something to say that may indeed help one's self even if you think you've got the right and compelling answer.


Even the most malign tomfoolery can offer virtue to another but it doesn't mean that one has to agree with the self same position.

A person can be the most insightful and reasoned being on the planet but he can still improve in comprehension by listening to others of supposed lesser ability . This doesn't hurt , its about the individual himself, not the other but soon we're getting into preaching and so I'll stop.

And yes, I didn't see it previously but seeing the best in others is the road to wisdom and that's called "love". The above is a variation on the same theme.

The guy who hates Muslims is calling SuperUberBob a bigot because he wants to communicate better with his family. 2018 is already turning out to be a hell of a year.

This is a 40 to 50 % lie; it looks like he wants to enforce his will upon his family. The worst lies are not the 100 % lies but the nuanced lies which have some tenor of truth but are of the type that breed hate and all its sisters.

I generally think that people who do not post regularly in this forum should be excluded from personal attacks in this forum. Going after SuperUberBob is a clown move and I see no reason why criticism of his post couldn't have taken place in the forum in which it was posted.

Why do I have to be open to 2+2=5?

I admit that I am a bigot against things that are obviously wrong. I will continue to be a bigot against wrong things. You should be too.

The question of how to deal with people who believe obviously wrong things isn't limited to Trump supporters. But Bob's example clearly discusses people believing in their own set of facts. Not necessarily because they are dumb or illogical, but because of motivated reasoning.

What if Bob's family were a bunch of 9/11 truthers? Should he just sit back and "learn" from them. If not, then aren't you a bigot against 9/11 truthers? If so, good.

You are just making this up.

Agree with you, but still. I get personally attacked - in fact shamelessly libeled in the worst ways against the very rules of that forum - in regular P. Why aren't regular P fair game here?

Where on Earth do you get that I "hate" Muslims?

Islam is a terrible ideology that ruins every society and oppresses women in every society where it gains a majority. The only exception is where the large number of fundamentalists are viciously oppressed by dictators or extreme and constant secular military intervention in politics (e.g. Turkey).

That doesn't mean I hate Muslims. Quite the opposite. I feel sorry for many of them, especially the women, who have no choice or freedom.

ITT people are obviously wrong for supporting Trump.

Well guess what, they obviously think that you are wrong for supporting Clinton.

stalemate?

Or are are regressive Liberals just by virtue of their ideology right by default?

This kind of reasoning has lead to many oppressive dictatorships throughout history. In many ways you guys have become what you hate.

Even if I believed you, you're still a bigot.

Nope, that's not what Bob said. Please read more carefully.

Not reading things has led to many oppressive dictatorships.

You really smashed an argument that no one was making. And did it with an arrogance that is ****ing hilarious.

I have always generally agreed with that. For the politics forums it's defaulting to being allowed because it always has been, it's going both ways and there's so much cross over and common ground. It's not my top priority to worry about politics posters as it's a clear part of what was expected when bad poster thread etc were created. Even so if anyone wants to contact me directly I will try to help.

The rules on how opt outs will work will be nice and complicated to prevent opt outs being used to shield behind while attacking others. In practice it will be fairly simple.

Must have been a really long temp ban. How many hours?

Yes his bigotry of dumb people is much worse than your bigotry of people of non-white colors and people of non-heterosexual persuasions.

For the record I am also bigoted against people who were dumb enough to vote for trump. It's a pretty egregious and ignorant thing for a person to have done and it's not really defensible.

I just read it again. Clearly his sentiment is that he needs to get his Trump supporting relatives to see the light and change their erroneous ways. No factual statements are made, just an arrogant attitude of them thinking the wrong thoughts was displayed.

How do you know that they are dumb people? You sound like a bigot.

Oh I see, just voting for Trump makes you dumb in the eyes of the regressive left. You people really are irredeemable deplorables.

Try a third time, I guess:

Yeah just to be clear I was being critical of the posters decision to x post not your decision to not address it, I don't think there's anything you should do with regard to this. Also as ToothSayer pointed out he gets criticized, reasonably in my view, in P and no one objects so I may just be off here.

This, hypocrisy and bigotry to the extreme.

Evidence for this???

This is precisely how a bigot sounds. The facts don't support your contention. Plenty of smart people voted for Trump. Plenty of non-ignorant people voted for Trump. The differential in college degrees and who they voted for wasn't even that large, despite most humanities degrees being hard left indoctrination.

IQ, life success, hell, even college education, are barely different between the groups.

That you can't think of any compelling and intelligent reason that people might have voted for Trump says far more about your intelligence and open-mindedness than it does about Trump voters.

Just as an example: 67% of Trump supporters thought that unemployment went up under Obama.

Is it okay to point out that they are absolutely wrong, or is that "bigotry"?

Read between the lines..

If the thread was about how to convince people of factual arguments then it is irrelevant if they are Trump supporters or not. In Bobs OP it was implied that supporting Trump is wrong and not only wrong but so wrong that he views them as lesser people because of their opinions. This is an arrogant and divisive attitude and will only turn those people further away from what he hopes to achieve.

But which is worse: believing a group of people is factually wrong and in denial of reality or stating that an entire religion of people support cousin ****ing?