Over 17M voted to leave
About 4m voted for ukip

25% seems significant enough for the joke to stand.

But much of the ukip vote comes from the right wing decidedly not working class demographic.

Jokes always stand in my book but it's no joke when politically we conflate working class (and other) brexiters and ukip supporters.

Neither do the mainstream political parties though hence the backlash.

The attitudes towards working class leave voters from middle class people was pretty disgusting though.

They still got suckered in to the party line of UKIP, one of the driving forces behind the referendum.

It should have been one of those moments where people went "Oh ****, I'm on that side?". But no, Farage and the other Brexiters got to spin out the line that Superslug is now trying to push as a legit narrative that somehow voting out of Europe is a wise reaction to British class struggles.

I was a remain voter I just dont like the snobby attitude towards large amounts of leave voters.

I dont think it was wise at all but it was understandable.

So I am at a party with extended family and lots of friends of the younger (mid 20's) people when talk turns to brexit. A couple of the oldies were remainers but the rest were fervent brexiters. To cut along story short, one of the leavers exclaimed X and the others enthusiastically agreed that that was a key part of their opposition to the EU.

I'd ask people to guess what X was but you never will so:

Please, do explain.

Non, monsieur.

I also have a short anecdote about a stupid reason to vote for Brexit.

Someone I was working closely with, a mid 20's bright person, said she was going to vote leave because of the difficulty of getting doctor's appointments.

The nasty man didn't want us to join and stole our oil, fish and everything else. That's after we saved his country. Trumped up twerp wasn't even a general. Therefore we should leave. Something about knowing the history.

I believe I've reflected their point fairly.

edit: Oh and to put it in some sort of context. De Gaulle died nearly 50 years ago

Charles de Gaulle once kissed Winston Churchill. I think. If not, he should have.

Anyway, Wiki has this to say to help you all engage in meaningful bombast:

In the context of the Cold War, de Gaulle initiated his "Politics of Grandeur", asserting that France as a major power should not rely on other countries, such as the US, for its national security and prosperity. To this end, de Gaulle pursued a policy of "national independence" which led him to withdraw from NATO's military integrated command and to launch an independent nuclear development program that made France the fourth nuclear power. He restored cordial Franco-German relations to create a European counterweight between the Anglo-American and Soviet spheres of influence. However, he opposed any development of a supranational Europe, favouring a Europe of sovereign nations. De Gaulle openly criticised the US intervention in Vietnam and the "exorbitant privilege" of the US dollar. In his later years, his support for an independent Quebec and his two vetoes against Britain's entry into the European Community generated considerable controversy.

From this link:Charles_de_Gaulle

this seems like the easiest case of short term pain long term massive gain

whats with the obsession with staying in a soon to be defunct experiment

Greece and Germany can't exist under one political structure, even under its current state Greece is almost a failed state rn. Help me understand what EU value you are talking about that can justify trying to stay and make this EU experiment work

We are starting from different places. If I (and I assume anyone) agreed the EU would definitely fail then I would want to leave - that's kinda obvious. I don't think it will fail, it might fail and it might lose a few countries along they way but I very much expect it to do far more than survive.

ok, assume I'm starting where you are. What are the values that you are talking about.

Free movement, same laws and rights for everybody - all the stuff that leads to bringing down borders. Equality & human rights for all.

The rest is more nebulous but it's starkest in the difference between the EU and Trump's administration. This was clear long ago when Bush was in power but it's got worse and I know exactly which side I want to be on.

Then it's issues that require sufficient weight i.e. trade treaty violations and the extradition treaty with the USA which stinks (personally I would extradite almost nobody into that 'justice' system). The UK cannot properly stand up to USA over these sorts of issues, the EU increasingly can and should and will.

by free movement and same laws and rights do you mean for everyone in the EU or everyone in the world?

in order to have the same laws for everyone you need one state who rules this one state?

the other points are more technical imo and not values