- English 2nd language
- Lives in Indonesia (87% Muslim)
- Islam religion of peace, bro!

Sounds legit! I'm convinced. I will cease my baseless commentary on Islamic beliefs! This is Western conspiracy ball, and Muslims don't believe this at all:



Opinion on the gays, Dji?

This is what happens when you get your information from Al Jazeera.

Here's a more reliable, more civilized sourse.


http://www.thetower.org/article/the-...y-palestinian/

"The Koran is very clear - convert to Islam or be fought violently until you (at a minimum) are cowed enough to pay permanent protection money."


lulz the bible is also very clear re stoning children.

c'mon bro, most christians/jew/muslims/atheists/etc .... they are all trying their best.

Bottom line is this: people in power use religion to suppress people...........

Show me some legitimate news or articles that people are being punished by death because they are leaving Islam or commited any adultery

As for Sharia law - it depends on the country (which most Moslem country)

Indonesia majority Moslem,but not Sharia law being enforced, except one region which has speciality that being honour by legislation (Aceh)

And for wife to obey husband,lol..I would also like that..I know we are equal between Man and woman..And if you read Alquran closely,Woman has more rights and they place Woman higher or more than Men..

Try read the book first or at least do some research on YouTube before start stating things that you know very little or just from mainstream media..

Btw on gay people..You should ask Catholic or Christian people first..Or at least read bible about Sodom and Gomorrah lol

I agree with Tooth on this. I've seen plenty of video's and read plenty of articles that support this. A dad killed his two daughters just for dating white guy's here in the US. . It's called a mercy killing...you may have heard of this.

And Madura. And Ambon. And parts of East Java. And Padang and surrounding Minang areas. And parts of southern Sumatra. And, and, and... There was even a case in Bali.

But yes, Indonesia is better than the middle East countries.

You couldn't pay me to go to a ****hole Muslim country like Indonesia.

Isn't half the reason to go on vacation to try and bang foreign b*tchez? And these Muslim hoes are all covered up because the inbred Muslim males say so?

You can demonize any specific race or nation based on a selective news agenda. There are certainly plenty of stories about white Fathers killing their families in the US. You are just looking for excuses to justify your inherent bigotry.

Great, now we have an honor killing denialist. Do 50% of Western dads also think it's at least sometimes ok to murder their own wife or daughter if they get out of line?

From wikipedia :"Killing one's wife or sister for tarnishing her honor or that of her family has not received approval from any Islamic scholar of any note, in either medieval or modern era.[76] Many Muslim commentators, and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice.[77] Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, says that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[78] Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[78] Salafi scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid asserts that the punishment of any crime is reserved for the Islamic ruler only.[79] Ali Gomaa, Egypt's ex-Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings.[77]

In short, you could describe it as an arb tradition or a middle eastern tradition but not an Islamic one (it pre-dates Islam). If anything Islam has attempted to temper the practice.

But then why let the facts get in the way of your ugly stupid hate? Write some more stuff that can be contradicted from easily accessed sources in thirty seconds please. You are doing us all favour by illustrating graphically how bigots don't have the research skills of a sharp eight-year old child.

This is delicious. What a dopey cuck you are. You said above:
You made it about race and country, not religion. And now you go and demonize Arabs in your desperate attempt to protect Islam.
This is even more hiliarious. You take a tiny subsection of Wikipedia, quote as the gospel truth (when it's just that some Muslim has recently edited it based on some Muslim apologetics paper), and act like you've found the truth on the matter. You're demonstrating perfectly that you don't even have the research skills of an 8 year old. Do they even allow Wikipedia in children's class projects? LOL @ you, dude, you race hater (blaming Arab culture for killing women?? **** you you racist).

Here's the actual truth, although your dopey mind will slide right past it. These are the views of honor killing in the Islamic world:



Notice how 20-70% of Muslims saying that honor killings are at least "sometimes ok" transcends national and racism boundaries. In fact, the only thing the people surveyed in these countries - everywhere from Asia to Europe and covering most cultures and ethnicities - have in common is Islam. Do you think these views fit with the views of say, the Christian population in these countries? Do 40% of Serbs at large think that's it's something ok to honor kill a wife or daughter?

It's absolutely adorable that you not only show your incredible racist bigotry against Arabs (you blame their culture/race for honor killings in an attempt to protect Islam - a foolish attempt since the facts are on my side), but that you think you've won here.

The truth is that honor killings are so accepted in Islam because Islam is a barbaric religion. Look at the belief rates in the requirement of death for adultery, or for leaving the religion. Half of Muslims believe in death for adultery. Half. That very quickly translates in "my daughter/wife should die for this, and God ordains it". Islam also has a vile and barbaric view of women as a kind of property, that's continued for 1000+ years. When a woman's word is worth half a man's in holy Sharia court, when four male witnesses are required to bring a rape charge, how do you think women are viewed? As equals, or as less?

So yes, honor killings are strongly linked to Islam and the Islamic view of the world.

I think we have a winner! Nice post.

I do find it funny when Islam apologists go-to defense is inherently racist. They'd rather condemn a race than condemn Islam. It makes no sense.

Nope nope and nope lol..Padang maybe, because the majority is Moslem too..But enforcing Sharia law like Aceh?NO..

LOL - with an attitude like that..I won't even let YOU in Indonesia or any other countries if I have the power to decide..

Btw where are you from..Try look into your own s...hit hole country or your mother (either one of them didn't raise you properly)

All I want to say is Tooth..If you want to know how Islam teaching or position in anything,read the Al-Quran and Hadits..And please don't take one or two separate verse,try read whole Surah(chapter)to get the meaning..

I have read the Koran, in full. It reads like poetry. It's a beautiful, seductive book...it calls out to the male heart with its promises of power and brotherhood and certainty.

It's also bat**** insane, like many of the people who follow it. And deeply misogynist. A religion that reveres the exploits of a grandiose, poet-killing, headlopping, pedophile polygamist 7th century war criminal from a woman-oppressing slave culture doesn't exactly make for peace, progress or equality.

Well, now you're lying or you're stupid and don't know what's going on in Indonesia. I can only assume you're Orang Cina, since Orang Pribumi know better.

His whole argument is "correlation equals causation". You must be very easily impressed.

Here's what the actual source you yourself cited says immediately below the data you posted, which you edited out:

Across the countries surveyed, attitudes toward honor killings of women and men are not consistently linked to religious observance. In most countries, Muslims who pray several times a day are just as likely as those who pray less often to say that honor killings are never justified. There also are no consistent differences by age or gender. However, in some countries surveyed, Muslims who support sharia are less likely to say that honor killings of women and men are never justified. Large gaps are found in Albania, Tunisia, Tajikistan and Lebanon, among other countries.

In short, you are so severely deficient in intelligence that you could not even to link to a source which supports your own argument.

This level of stupidity would be impressive were it actually contrived.

Global correlation among different societies, ethnicities and cultures over hundreds of years. Yeah, real show of 'deficient intelligence'to read into such statistics!

You sure showed him bro!

And here we have it, the authentic voice of alt-right that ToothSayer not only condones, but actively praises...then does a swift volte face when the mods show interest.

Confirmed that you're a dickhead. That level of religiosity are not "consistently" linked to honor killings has nothing with whether Islam a big part of it. You can't even understand the issues.

Again, dickhead, do 40% of non-Muslim Russians believe that honor killings of loved ones are "sometimes ok". What about Christian Croats? What about non-Muslim Thais? Thais are at 50% honor killings as being "sometimes ok".

It's case closed. You're just an idiot.

Not at all. Michael's post was a good one and I learned something from it. I didn't know, for example, about the incredible rates of first cousin marriage in many of these communities, that has gone on for generations. I knew it was often clan-based, but not so incestually family based. And yes, a lot of things flow from that over time...it's really sad, actually.

Whether something should be deleted for the good/tone of the forum and whether I think a post sheds light on something interesting are also two different things. Your posts, for example, are mostly tone appropriate under the rules, but add nothing at all of interest or that anyone can learn from.