I don't have much in the way of feelings, however I suspect he was trying to turn the discussion into a flame war to hide his lack of knowledge.

The assertions insofar as there were any : <Toothsayer wrote> "You're bat**** insane. There was no torturing and murdering of Sunnis."

This is flatly contradicted by this and many other sources:
"http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights/2013/03/201331883513244683.html"

<Toothsayer also wrote>"When the Muslim world was making raids into Europe for hundreds of years to capture child sex slaves"

Ironic given that in Afghanistan the Taleban wiped out the common practice of child prostitution which was reinstated by the US-backed Karzai regime:

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/29...n-afghanistan/

Tens of thousands of kids are being raped in Afghanistan on a daily basis because of the US military. We know this because several soldiers have spoken out and/or quit because of it.

<Toothsayer also wrote>When was Syria (where ISIS came from) invaded in violation of international law??

From wikipedia:
ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda and participated in the Iraqi insurgency following the 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces.

All this information was obtained in less than thirty seconds of googling. You really only need a double-digit IQ to know how google works.

Wow, this is how deluded the regressive left is!

But hey guys, he found these undeniable facts from a blog!

The US army drove away the child protectors - the Taliban!

Who is doing the boy-****ing?

[] US Soldiers
[x] Muslims.

Islam today is generally against boy-****ing, although it's continued as a widespread cultural practice. The Turks used to do it with Kurdish boys as well - rape the female children and the keep the male children as servants/sex toys. Anyway, you're literally arguing that Islamic cultures aren't mass pedophiles by pointing out Islamic cultures who are mass pedophiles. That's extremely amusing.

Anyway, it's irrelevant. The child sex slaves that Muslims have been capturing in organized raids for over a thousand years are female, not male. Female child sex slaves are allowed in all Islamic societies, and raping them is encouraged for their own good - provided they're not Muslim. Having multiple females slaves you rape is condoned by Muhammed himself. ISIS is merely following the Koran.

ISIS grew from nothing into what it is in Syria...beyond that it's stateless. That they had some operations in Iraq is meaningless - they had operations in France too. Your own link says they were initially Jordanian. They were a nothing force until Syria, when Obama armed and funded them. Claiming they're caused by Iraq is just dishonest.

The funniest most ironic thing of the entire trump presidency is trump being labeled hateful/xenophobic for wanting to keep Muslims out.

Yes muSlims are the most hateful xenophobic group of people on the planet. So much so that they'll ****ing kill you if you leave their religion. That is literally the definition of xenophobia

Trump wants to keep the hate out. That is literally what he is trying to do. And he is labeled the hateful one.

Isn't it funny? They aren't even ****ing Muslims, and they white knight for them.

The reality is they are pussies and scared ****less.

when the caliphate takes over the west they think they'll be spared because they defended Muslims in the interwebs.

Kind of like white people who go protesting with BLM at their protests and get the **** kicked out of them by BLM'ers.

Look at this hypocritical derplord.

Are you really too ****ing stupid to google this or look it up on wiki yourself?

We know about it because several US soldiers (hardly the most left-wing group), were thrown out of the military for complaining about it.

I'll say this for Muslims: as a group they are a mixed bag but they are generally well educated. You are not.

Where's the part where you apologize for being wrong because you are too ****ing stupid to google, you backwoods redneck little c unt? How exactly have you managed to function in society in the last 20 years without knowing how a search engine works?

OMG.. GBV has to be the dumbest mother****er here so far...

Please post more! You are doing the opposite of making a case for your cause.

Except there's nothing to apologize for? You were wrong?

I mentioned how Islam is a culture of mass child rape going back 1400 years, with plenty of evidence, you come back with..."but what about Afghanistan where those Muslims rape young boys en masse...but the Taliban stopped it!! Therefore your point is moot!! Because Taliban = real Islam!! And they're against boy-child raping!!" Are you really that dumb? I guarantee you everyone is finding your point here absolutely comical self-ownage.

And what was that about civility? Here you are so riled up you're evading the language filter to call me a dirty name?

I'm neither backwoods nor redneck. You however are one of the most ignorant people I've ever met. You're the walking embodiment of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". You have zero clue how the world works, being self-educated by Google. Your commentary on the psychology of Wilders in particular (he has some Asian heritage! Aren't those racists weird!) was hilarious and recommended reading for an insight into how deranged you are.

You people call Trump the racist and Bigot, yet you voted for a jew hating bigot for President. Did you see what happened at the UN today? Obama refused to veto condemnation of Israeli settlements.

I hope Trump cuts off funding to the UN.

Must of the UN is a total joke, especially on human rights. It's a hard left swamp, in bed with the nastiest dictators and repressive states. The Human Rights Commission is particularly comical - GBV level comical.

I do however agree that Israelis are in the wrong with building settlements in occupied territories. I don't know a good solution when you've got rabid religiously Jew-hating Nazis (aka a good portion of the Muslims on their border) on your doorstep who won't rest until you're driven into the sea and every Jew in Arab lands exterminated, and they consider that a holy mandate. So I have sympathy for Israel. They are however breaking international law and acting as an occupying force. Perhaps that's justified given how insanely rabid the Palestinian terror organizations are. Perhaps it isn't. Either way, I don't think the Jews in Israel are 100% in the right here.

Hopefully Trump can figure out a way to fix it up. If anyone can make deals, he can...

Anyhow, here's what TS couldn't comprehend, post 33-35 ending in this:




The point wasn't to whom the zakat is distributed and why, rather that the zakat distribution is just 1 of numerous times "non-Muslim" and "unbeliever" are referred to as 2 distinct ideas.

Knowledge of history isn't even required. Simple common sense would dictate thinking, so, wait, a non-Muslim doesn't believe in Islam, and an unbeliever doesn't believe in Islam, but these are 2 different things, so, well, I guess believing in Islam isn't actually the specific variable being controlled for here, despite the confusing language.

Plus, that's not the only reason the zakat would go to non-Muslims, but there's a separate tax called the jizya. The zakat was a tax on Muslims and the jizya was a tax on adult non-Muslim males ("exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves, and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands"). The main distinction was due to military service being voluntary for non-Muslims, no conscripting and drafting, whereby volunteering would waive the jizya.

I think the whole Palestiniann Israeli issue is far too complex to be able to come to a difinitive conclusion about who is wrong or right. It's hard to argue with someone who believes this is their god given land. There is no doubt, however, that this was Obama's way of saying one last FU to Israel and more specifically Netanyahu.

I do believe Trump has something big in store for the corrupt UN.

It was understood perfectly. In your madlibs world, you seem not to comprehend that it means absolutely nothing. You actually think you have something here. It's...weird? Perhaps you don't have an overview of how it all fits together.

Islam is a religion of subjugation of all other religions - in fact the Koran exhorts just that:

Basically, non-Muslims have to humbly pay a "tribute" (aka extortion) to their Muslim overlords, or face unending violence. The history of Islam is exactly this. Even the US paid the Jizya to Muslims until the slave-capturing got so unbearable, and reasonable attempts at peace with Muslim barbarians failed so many times, that they invaded with the gunboats into Muslim lands and subdued the barbarian Muslims. This is all laid out quite nicely here. In fact France's troubles with Muslims today can be traced to France's attempts to stamp out child-sex-slave raids in Europe and general piracy coming from the Algeria region, when the Muslims failed to desist in taking slaves despite repeated overtures over decades. This led to forced colonization to quell the practice, and reverse immigration. The descendants of these same people now run children over with trucks in the name of Islam. Times change, but Islam doesn't.

Islam is a sick cult of violence and forced submission - both of women and of non-Muslims. That they distinguish between "non-Muslims likely to convert" and "non-Muslims not likely to convert" means absolutely nothing. I'm not sure why you think it does...

The problem these people have is this:

1. They believe ISIS et al are evil. I mean, duh, no argument there. This would be a short discussion.

2. That's not good enough, though. They want to believe Muslim immigrants/refugees and, in turn, simply Muslims, are evil.

3. They can't argue that most Muslims are secret radical Islamists, because duh again, that's obviously not true.

4. So, to tie things together somehow, they need to somehow rewrite a good 1/3 - 2/5 of the history of Islam. This works "better" than saying every modern Muslim is a terrorist sleeper agent, but it still fails miserably as we're only talking about less than 1.5 centuries of history, not 10s of thousands of years. That results in the bull**** spouting we see by TS et al.



I guess there's also a,

5. These historical facts are pointed out to the derpbots, which causes a hard reset, and the cycle starts over.

Obv it's weird to you. You have a degree in physics, right? You've seen people struggle with physics concepts that are trivial to you, right?

I've just used written language to make this point and not math, so maybe get a friend to help and elaborate.

And libertarians and ACists et al think tax is theft. And if a bunch of them tried to start a civil war they'd face unending violence until they submitted and were subdued.

You're just not good at words. You're good at fooling the derprats but beyond that, eh... I used to think you were faking it. Now, not so much.

At least half of Muslims hold vile beliefs. I don't know if that qualifies as "evil" to you (why are you using that word?), but anyone who think it's "sometimes ok" to murder your wife or daughter because she exhibits sexual or religious freedom, or talks back too much, I'm comfortable classifying as a pretty vile human being.

So yes. Most Muslims are vile human beings, who have beliefs deeply incompatible with Western values. Do you really want to argue that with me? You've seen the Pew Polling. You see what's done to hundreds of millions of women in Muslim countries.

That's not even relevant. I'd say 20-30% of Muslims are radical Islamists (in the sense of supporting the vilest, most fundamentalist laws, and tactics to help expand that view and end of Islam), and aren't secret about it. A further 40% or so on top of that would tacitly support an Islamic party that wanted to bring about an Islamic state with its misogynist Sharia laws. I mean, we have the facts here on what Muslims believe and want.
I don't understand your 1.5 centuries of history. The Arab slave trade, especially in female child sex slaves, goes back 1400 years. There is nothing comparable for most of history. The history of Islam is one of slavery, piracy, misogyny, terror, barbarity (relative to its contemporaries), and attempts to create a global caliphate.

What historical facts? The only thing I've seen mentioned is the "golden age" of Islam, which ended 8 centuries ago, during which they had some wealth, and books, etc gleaned from lands that they overran in their bid to establish the caliphate. I don't understand why you think that a flowering of a civilization 8 centuries ago under a particular religion means that religion is therefore ok. That flowering came from Greek books. The Greeks like to bugger boys, yet are basically responsible for much of the later learning and thought from the Islamic to the Christian world - does that mean NAMBLA is ok, and boy-buggery is a good philosophy?

You really don't have any reasoning here. Nazi Germany was a powerhouse of innovation and cutting edge thought - that doesn't make Nazi philosophy ok.

I've never said that Islam is incompatible with mathematics (it's not - in fact many Islamic designs use math in interesting way), nor have I said it's 100% evil. So I'm not sure why you think you're playing some trump card here. I simply ignore this when you mention it because it's completely irrelevant and a non-point. I don't understand why you think you're making a meaningful point when you mention the Islamic Golden Age. It has nothing to do with anything and refutes nothing that's been claimed. That's why I don't respond to it - it is of no relevance.

If you were just a little saner I'd find your mental blocks fascinating.

Justifying the jizya (protection money specifically targeted at religious minorities, who suffer beheading, enslavement and the rape of their daughters if they fail to comply) by comparing it with taxation in a democracy (applied equally to all races and religions) is lol.
What is it with the left and conspiracy theorizing and grand narratives? Are you so afraid of appearing stupid that you try to 10th level every interaction?

I genuinely believe what I write. I'm geniunely talking about culture and not race when I say culture. I genuinely mean it when I say the only religion I have a problem with is Islam, because Islam, structurally, culturally, theologically, has a problem with EVERYONE who's not a Muslim male. And a large proportion of said Muslims males and cultures are happy to be violent and/or deeply oppressive to enact that worldview.

That's the long and short of it. There's no racism in it. It's got nothing to do with brown people or phobias or anything else. I contend I have a far saner and more reality-based view of Islam than yours. Here you are looking at this interaction and hallucinating all kinds of things which don't exist.

I can't believe you've spent months thinking I'm some disingenuous troll. The world isn't that hard, man. Relax. Breathe. You're not stupid if you get fooled. In fact if you never get fooled you're living a pretty sad life imo.

Oh, Allah help me, he's doing it again.

Aye, considering somebody might be trolling on the internet is "conspiracy theorizing and grand narratives" and "hallucinating all kinds of things".

Jesus ****ing Christ.

p.s. And contemplating the above makes it entertaining. The arguments certainly are not. I had to bend over backwards ITT to spoon-feed you your opposing argument, as Omg-Pedophile-Cult is, uh, somewhat lacking.

Because liberalism is psychological disorder.

As usual, the truth.

It's really this simple:


2 things, which were literally just mentioned by me in the last dozen posts:

1. If you were too poor to pay the jizya, or paying it would leave you destitute, you were exempt. There would have to be an able man literally choosing the "rape of his daughter" over an affordable tax. To some crazy right-wingers this might be a tough choice.

2. The zakat is the tax on Muslims. Not paying it was 1 of the 5 big sins. This is closer to literal "equal application" than "extortion" targeting minority groups.


Based on this, especially since it preempted your response, you made a childishly poor rebuttal. That's objective fact. Poor enough it's not really worthy of a response, except to make the following point. So, you have 2 choices:

1. Recognize and acknowledge it. Like a big boy.

2. Not recognize it, in which case one can only conclude you're either not smart and/or sane enough to do so, or are trolling in some fashion.


I'll find my amusement in speculating, regardless.