Nah, if by native Swedes you mean those with Swedish parents, then the number is much lower than that, I would estimate around 30-35% and yet native Swedes are like 75-80 % of the population.

About 17% were foreign born when this report was released.

Curious as to your reason why?

You're still assuming causation from correlation.

Have you considered other factors such as poverty, which usually has a large intersection with immigrants?

I guess not because this tells you everything you're looking for (confirmation bias), ie that immigrants cause disproportionate amounts of crime, and it's not related to their social status and quality of life (or lack of it).

Well, this is it. Of course economic migrants from the third world with little to no education are in poverty and rioting; minimum wage laws price them out of the job market whilst a weak border allows them into a country where they're simply not able to thrive.

I'm sure racism and discrimination will be to blame though, as usual.

Denial of racism and discrimination is what kind of influence on the topic?

Assert it isn't happening until everyone not in denial learns what denial looks like with examples?


No point blaming people for denial, they'll probably keep denying and deny that blame too.

How does denying racism and discrimination help immigrants, refugees and host nations ?

We disagree on minimum wage laws, but let's say you're right about that. What you're saying is that the prevalence of crime is a result of systemic issues and not of race or nationality, which is actually the point peoplle like Jalfrezi try to make.

A few reasons. Our country was founded on immigration, and it seems wrong to just shut the gates now. We have plenty of room. We have plenty of jobs for those who are willing. It would legalize many of the migrant workers. It would help with an aging population (which will occur if we don't allow at least 3 million per year to come).

I'm not for letting just anyone in. I would like to start with the immediate families of those already here legally.

Yes I have considered socio-economic factors. I have already addressed this issue replying to I3all in this thread. Anyhow such concerns do not help answer if immigration from third world countries increase violent crime, it only gives part of the answer as to why it does.

When making policy decisions on immigration the if question should be more important than the why question.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...95&postcount=8

If instead of focussing on their nationality, you focussed on long-term criminals' social backgrounds, education and poverty levels etc you might find very little difference between immigrants and Swedes.

Don't you think this is a more effective (as well as less prejudiced) way of attacking the crime problem that you say is your major concern?

haha please give me the original source for that. obviously it's the fault of refugees in sweden that the murder rate in the us has been falling dramatically. jfc

Anti-Muslim Group Leader Fired For Meeting On How To ‘Shut Mosques Down’

They had to fir him not because they disagreed, but because his language was a bit too direct.

ugh that linked post is terrible. it's a crime against statistics. im guessing any number you've come up with on your own is mostly influenced by you not being able to adjust for age properly

doesnt have the 2015 numbers where it spikes to 112 the same as in 2007

doesnt show the massive increase in murders people keep talking about, seems like there is a slow delince in the amount off murders after a peak in late 80s/early90s

aslo the population has grown from about 8.5m to 10m from 1985 to 2016. It doesnt seem like the murder rate is able to keep up with the population growth and Sweden will be stuck with all the killer refugee's

What about Denmark?

Marn, I understand you said Denmark reports the crime rates by country of origin, even though Sweden does not? Are Denmark stats helpful?

Listen Mr Delusional, "bring me your tired.." was aimed at getting labor to build a country, nothing else....the country is built now. Like the commercial with the young recently out of college kid thats gonna change the world says to his closed minded "old" dad.... "The worlds changing dad"

Lol...looking at a map, which you obv were when conjuring up this absurd statement, the "plenty of room" is out in east bumble****, where there are no jobs. Stop fostering overcrowding of big cities that leads to more degredation and unnecessary stress on the municipalities, schools and medical system of said cities.

It is not any one countries responsibility to care for the world. To take in people of other countries that cant support their own growing population. The United States, or ANY other countries are NOT responsible to provide for each others countries populations.

Not sure why someone would bring children into such a lawless, riotess, economically unstable, war torn, dirty 2nd or third world hellhole with no good schooling and deplorable, substandard medical conditions anyway. That is problem...
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Wow, wtf? Are you kidding me? The only way to sustain our economy and growth is to let 3 million people from other countries in every year?

Is this the only way?

How about promote the family?

How bout reverse the psychotic feminazi thinking that the natural biological function of a mother nurturing her child from birth through his/her adolescence is some form of repression that unnecessarily keeps a woman from her "true potential"??? We need to squash this [what seems to be a] mainstreamed thought process that deems the maternal instinct as some sort of disease to be avoided at all cost. YAY LBGTQIABCDEFG & Feminism!!


Wow your brainwash is showing, get that fixed Wack Peter.

You handsacrossamerica , kumbaya, savetheworld new age hippie SJWs are sick & a HUGE reason our economy is stressed to the point of collapse

Lol, yea, gotta be totally ratchetional & logisticaly bout it...go wit da referrencal system, yea dats it

Lol. That was an entertaining attempt at trolling.

Truth is a menace, I know

... and your feeble attempt to dismiss said truth as being something less than it is, is certainly telling to say the least

Awww, that's cute how you're still trying.

"V.O.I.C.E." - Some cold cherry-picking of crime victims to impress, influence, and reinforce prejudice towards immigrants.

There is no prejudice against Immigrants. Trump talked about countries like Australia, who hand pick those who come into the country. This makes more sense. If you run a business you have an application process in order to get the best people. This sounds much better to me than allowing just anyone in.

I don't understand why there is this support for lawlessness.

^^^^^Denial of prejudice combined with a passive aggressive accussation of lawlessness.

lol

Either you guys didn't read my posts or you just didn't understand them. These responses are nonsensical.

Again you clearly haven't been reading my posts. The falling murder rate has been a trend in all developed countries since the early eighties, Sweden is an exception to this trend.

Reasons for the decrease are still widely arguable, but mobile phones to get quick help during emergencies, better emergency care, less people on the streets due to IT revolution, less lead usage have been mentioned as arguments.

Why do you even ask about that graphs source? It is like handful of data points fed into excel, the ratio of murder rate by year between the US and Sweden. Takes about 5 minutes to make and easily checked for validity for any given year.