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06-06-2017 , 08:51 AM
Well named taking time to make quality posts that none of these morons are ever going to read or respond to.
06-06-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
And that all adds up to mumbo jumbo.

Make whatever excuses you wish. Either work your way out of poverty or don't. I really don't care. And so doesnt the rest of humanity.
well named has kindly taken the time to educate everyone on the relevance of single parent families. interdasting

13ball offered up incarceration rates to explain disparity. all the numbers are there and as predicted he wasnt able to manufacture a complete thought and back his claim with anything meaningful. incomplete thoughts like tossing out incarceration rates without actually looking at the its actual potential impact is just a lazy way to confirm your bias. it also exposes how little he cares about the truth

on the topic of mumbo jumbo, i think i will eventually create a thread on post modernism. it is the master of all mumbo jumbo. it is very effective in attracting bitter people who like to avoid the truth and confirm their biases
06-06-2017 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
well named has kindly taken the time to educate everyone on the relevance of single parent families. interdasting

13ball offered up incarceration rates to explain disparity. all the numbers are there and as predicted he wasnt able to manufacture a complete thought and back his claim with anything meaningful. incomplete thoughts like tossing out incarceration rates without actually looking at the its actual potential impact is just a lazy way to confirm your bias. it also exposes how little he cares about the truth

on the topic of mumbo jumbo, i think i will eventually create a thread on post modernism. it is the master of all mumbo jumbo. it is very effective in attracting bitter people who like to avoid the truth and confirm their biases
It is unfortunate that it can be masked with eloquence. They really do sometimes talk a good game. It's a shame it's complete nonsense based in nothing because it actually sways many people and they truly believe it's the "educated" view.
06-06-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
You keep getting dunked on by people with an education.
I get dunked on by nobody. I've made plenty of mistakes, and I'm shocked at how wrong I was on many topics years ago because I was blinded by media and public opinion.

Essentially everything I was taught was wrong. Every view on history was wrong. Everything about racism was wrong.

The sad thing is there were bits and pieces I knew about but I wasn't smart enough to put it all together. It's embarrassing, really, but it shows the absolute power of liberal thinking at the college and professional level. It permeates everywhere, and it's easy to búy into. I mean, look at how many of you are talked into believing a human being with a penis is actually a woman. If they can talk you into that they surely can make you believe the earth is going to explode.
06-06-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Well named taking time to make quality posts that none of these morons are ever going to read or respond to.
Well named causes me to be even more sure of my position. Making me look up more stats on single motherhood made me realize even more how awful it truly is. Anyone who can't see how detrimental single motherhood is is just foolish.

The numbers don't lie. It's not magic.
06-06-2017 , 12:46 PM
mods please dont delete 5ives post until people have a chance to soak it in. champions of morality

its angleshooter approved. the level of bitterness on display is totally predictable
06-06-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
mods please dont delete 5ives post until people have a chance to soak it in. champions of morality

its angleshooter approved. the level of bitterness on display is totally predictable
Lol, so you're another dude that lies about having me on ignore.

How is what I said championing morality or immorality?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN?
06-06-2017 , 01:26 PM
people are saying their marriage is the bigliest
06-06-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Lol, so you're another dude that lies about having me on ignore.
cite?

you are the most ignored poster in politics. i mostly ignore you. i have zero posters on ignore

when you get more and more desperate for attention you increase the inflammatory nature of your posts vs changing your posting habits and actually articulate a political pov or arguement

also the majority of your posts are about wil. it comes across as obsessive. when you become even more agitated than usual your posts then contain things that asians specifically could find most insulting and wils family

i seriously think the champions and police of morality need to have a look in the mirror. there is a noticeable bitterness and resentment. totally disgraceful behavior is ignored based on tribal preferences (hmmmm). commitment to moral behavior is non existent. if youre all going to crown yourselves champions of morality you should probably hold yourselves to higher moral standards, not lower

genocidal fantasies starring asians, porch asian references, gleefully finding excuses to drop N bombs, angleshooting, welching and running away from the forum when losing a bet, calling posters children ugly, bringing up a posters wife, etc carry no social penalty among the crowd championing themselves as morally superior. it actually appears to be a bonding experience. again, where are the higher standards instead of lower?

things are complicated and any large group is diverse but a large part of this sjw behavior seems to be bitter losers on a witch hunt for someone or thing to vent their hate. antifa would be an extremely obvious example of this. sensible people from both sides should be able to find common ground and condemn their disgraceful actions instead of apologizing
06-06-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
well named has kindly taken the time to educate everyone on the relevance of single parent families. interdasting
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13ball offered up incarceration rates to explain disparity. all the numbers are there and as predicted he wasnt able to manufacture a complete thought and back his claim with anything meaningful. incomplete thoughts like tossing out incarceration rates without actually looking at the its actual potential impact is just a lazy way to confirm your bias. it also exposes how little he cares about the truth
If one parent is in prison, the home becomes single-parent. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Does it explain ALL of any disparity? No. MOST of the disparity? Likely not. But it absolutely has an effect.

Your theory is that black people are over-represented in the NBA, so some genetic process must explain single parent homes. You are skipping about a million steps. And the steep rise in single parent homes from 1965 to 1990 contradicts your dumb theory. How could that possibly be caused by genetics?

Not to mention that single parent homes being the root cause of all social ills doesn't jibe with the fact that crime has dropped steadily since the early 1990s--precisely the time when single parenthood reached its peak.
06-06-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
It is unfortunate that it can be masked with eloquence. They really do sometimes talk a good game. It's a shame it's complete nonsense based in nothing because it actually sways many people and they truly believe it's the "educated" view.
What is the educated view, wil? WN gave a reasoned response and you can't even articulate a counter argument. You called it "mumbo jumbo." You are so invested in your bull**** theory that racism cannot ever cause anything bad to happen means that you just deny that the evidence exists or blame it all on liberal professors. Calling something "complete nonsense based in nothing" is not an argument.
06-06-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
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porch asian references

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You really are dumb as s**t huh?
06-06-2017 , 02:14 PM
13balls you inserted its impact on single parent homes. finish your thought. what is the impact. all the data is publicly available. are you interested in the truth or throwing incomplete thoughts to confirm your bias?

you also seem to have no embarrassment in throwing out strawman. i asked you to cite your strawman and you also ignored that. instead you keep doubling down

this is repeated ideologue behavior. you insert incomplete counterpoints that don't need to be incomplete. then when met with resistance you pivot off to strawman in order to dismiss the people you disagree with.

sjw- omg you believe the earth if flat therefore i don't need to formulate an actual argument

- no i don't believe the earth is flat, that is a lie

sjw- omg you believe nba racial disparity exists as a demonstration that radical social construction theory ideologues cant explain disparity without going in to a moral panic or sounding absurd (including 13balls) is acutally proof that you believe ______ (insert strawman position that equals racist)


its all so feeble, repetitive, and predictable. you cant actually articulate your own side of an argument and you have to resort to strawmanning people that you disagree with in order to call them a racist. its downright pathetic
06-06-2017 , 02:18 PM
Ok so what IS the point of the NBA reference?
06-06-2017 , 02:19 PM
You guys know juan is a chatbot right?
06-06-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
sjw- omg you believe nba racial disparity exists as a demonstration that radical social construction theory ideologues cant explain disparity without going in to a moral panic or sounding absurd (including 13balls) is acutally proof that you believe ______ (insert strawman position that equals racist)
I'm glad that you are disavowing the radical, racist, and scientifically dubious viewpoint of genetic determinism. However, since I have never advocated for any purely social constructionist theory (I spent several pages clarifying my position with ChrisV way back when), it sounds like you should agree with me that your NBA question was an irrelevant distraction based on a misrepresentation of my position. It seems you are guilty of the same type of straw-manning you are accusing 13ball of, but in reverse.

Also, all of this could probably be moved into one of the other threads since it's pretty off-topic for this one.
06-06-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I'm glad that you are disavowing the radical, racist, and scientifically dubious viewpoint of genetic determinism. However, since I have never advocated for any purely social constructionist theory (I spent several pages clarifying my position with ChrisV way back when), it sounds like you should agree with me that your NBA question was an irrelevant distraction based on a misrepresentation of my position. It seems you are guilty of the same type of straw-manning you are accusing 13ball of, but in reverse.

Also, all of this could probably be moved into one of the other threads since it's pretty off-topic for this one.
no, i have asked you a question that you ducked, dodged, and danced around for ages. then eventually you skirted around it months later. i dont think its strawmanning to suggest you cant answer the question without going in to a moral panic, since you flat out cant answer a simple question without riverdancing. then months after introducing to you the racial disparity in single family homes and the color blind impact it has, you then decide to take a lecturing tone on the topic while it was completely absent in your extensive explanation of crime, poverty, and systemic racism

well named, as a person that hasnt been and isnt in a moral panic about the racial disparity in the nba, could you for the first time explain why we see such a remarkable racial disparity in the nba and usa track n field? please take off your dance shoes and answer the question directly (for the first time in about 50 times it has been repeated to you)
06-06-2017 , 02:59 PM
What's it go to do with immigration policies?

Unless you're suggesting genetic screening of potential immigrants to ensure they don't have a genetic predisposition to excessively high hormone levels that you're so fond of talking about.
06-06-2017 , 03:56 PM
juan keeps getting mad that people don't play 88 questions with him. But he never spells out his argument.

Do you think liberals are afraid to say that there are some minor genetic differences between people with African ancestry and people with, say, European ancestry? No one is afraid to say that. It's obvious.

Do you think liberals are afraid to say African-Americans in general are more interested in playing basketball than European-Americans? Again, you're wrong. That's probably true as well.

And?
06-06-2017 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
What is the educated view, wil? WN gave a reasoned response and you can't even articulate a counter argument. You called it "mumbo jumbo." You are so invested in your bull**** theory that racism cannot ever cause anything bad to happen means that you just deny that the evidence exists or blame it all on liberal professors. Calling something "complete nonsense based in nothing" is not an argument.
It's liberal mumbo jumbo. It's nonsense. It's excuses and it's sold as the "real" reasons for why things happen.

The truth is no one is stopped from becoming and doing what they want. If you want to be a doctor then to be a goddamn doctor. No one is going to stop you.

If you want to argue that poorer people or people born into bad family situations have it harder, sure, I'm 100% down with that argument. If you want to blame it on racism, I'm 100% against it. The truth is the united States simply isn't a racist place. It's pretty ****ing great, to tell you the truth.

Blaming failure on racism is just wrong. You are a failure because of YOU, not "the white man". "The white man" can't do jack **** to me. They can't take away my job or keep me from getting a new job. I rely on my skillset to provide myself with my livelihood. I can show you endless amounts of unsuccessful white men. They are everywhere. I wonder how that "privilege" is working out for them?

You speak nonsense and you believe in nonsense. I'm sorry, the truth hurts, but maybe one day you'll realize your beliefs are just really, really wrong.
06-06-2017 , 04:59 PM
Juan is 100% correct. Single motherhood is color blind and it hurts every racial group. It doesn't matter if you are white black Asian or Hispanic, single motherhood is a crushing, crushing factor.

Single motherhood is a huge predictor of poverty (and many other bad statistics). Single motherhood is 72% in the black community. Gee, i wonder what could be the ****ing problem here?
06-06-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
The truth is no one is stopped from becoming and doing what they want. If you want to be a doctor then to be a goddamn doctor. No one is going to stop you.
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Blaming failure on racism is just wrong. You are a failure because of YOU, not "the white man". "The white man" can't do jack **** to me. They can't take away my job or keep me from getting a new job.
Let's say that tomorrow, the government instituted a new policy that all white people had to give 99% of their personal wealth to the government to pay for Trump's wall or whatever (it's a thought exercise, doesn't matter what).

Do you think the number of white people becoming doctors in future years will...
1. go up
2. go down
3. stay the same?
06-06-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Let's say that tomorrow, the government instituted a new policy that all white people had to give 99% of their personal wealth to the government to pay for Trump's wall or whatever (it's a thought exercise, doesn't matter what).

Do you think the number of white people becoming doctors in future years will...
1. go up
2. go down
3. stay the same?
You mean like exactly what happened to the Japanese in the united States during world war 2? Something "crazy" like that? Gee. What if?

How about the Jews? I mean, they were being exterminated and chased out of every place on the planet. How much was taken from THEM? Now they are arguably the most successful people on earth and have won 23% of all Nobel prizes.

Crazy, huh? Maybe it's that world wide conspiracy to ensure Jews win those Nobel prizes kicking in. Oh wait..

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06-06-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You mean like exactly what happened to the Japanese in the united States during world war 2? Something "crazy" like that? Gee. What if?
I know about Japanese internment, I'm less familiar with seizure of Japanese wealth - do you have any reading on that for me?

Also worth noting here that people placed in internment camps were eventually paid reparations.

But anyway, do you plan on answering the question I asked?
06-06-2017 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
If you want to argue that poorer people or people born into bad family situations have it harder, sure, I'm 100% down with that argument. If you want to blame it on racism, I'm 100% against it. The truth is the united States simply isn't a racist place.
This is an idiotic lie. We've shown you the evidence that the job market is racist. But that's "mumbo jumbo" right? Any time you hear some evidence of racism, you just call it "mumbo jumbo."

Instead of spreading complete and utter bull****, why don't you cite something that shows that the US isn't racist. Got anything besides your feelings?

      
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