there are numbers for violent crime later. they are slightly higher (well, lower for women but that matters less since men commit by far the most violent crime). they are not wildly higher.

idunno. if i had to put money on it i would guess it's a good bit lower and the people you get your estimates from probably being wingnuts, but maybe.

much of it is gang/drug/weed related which is a bit meh. that's on us.

Marn:

I'm curious about your take on this -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...acks_in_Sweden

150 grenade attacks in Sweden in 2015. Only asking because you seem to understand the Swedish statistics and it strikes me as being an odd weapon of choice. Is that a signature of Swedish criminal organizations? Why is that so unique to Sweden?

people were illegally importing cheap hand grenades from the balkans, so the, often balkan related, gangs fighting for drug markets in malmö had a cheap supply of them.

the hard right thinks the world is going to end because they're dumb as ****, so they latch onto any silly thing they find useful

I would like to add that sentencing for getting caught with a hand grenade is a joke. You will be let go the same day and it will seldom lead to any jail time. They are changing the laws now, until now hand grenades have had the same legal status as home made firecrackers.

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NoQuarter - breaking many rules. please do not post like this in content threads.
Juan - your post about the rules for this thread isn't appropriate here but would be ok in a thread about the PC rules.

10 Attacks per day on Germany immigrants

When you start threads like this, you're essentially saying that you only want one viewpoint and all others will be blocked. What's the point other than to say, "Welcome to Kerowo-Land"?

Well, hells bells that is boatload of events. Reasonable fear level for immigrants and refugees must be high, and trauma is clearly a risk. Seen.

Also note it is the BBC reporting at the link. Are they allowed at the WH still? I thought I heard they were banned like fear-mongering?

When you reply like this it's essentially saying you want to make sweeping claims about groups of people and use selected facts to portray them in a bad light.

They are banned, and seemed genuinely puzzled by it (the BBC operates under a UK Government charter that commits it to be as politically impartial as possible, but like so many other things I expect Trump is ignorant of this).

UK Channel 4 news (from a commercial TV station) so far haven't been banned. The news anchorman of their man 7pm news show (Jon Snow) posted an amusing tweet claiming to be offended at having been excluded from the ban.

Yes, thanks for the details. It's an international crisis of fascism. the refugees, immigrants, and the press are extra-large canaries in the planet-mine.

tweet I referred to:

No BBC, soon to come RT.

Finally a good article about crime and immigration in Sweden.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...trump-fox-news

They've omitted to state that Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences. This has been Government policy for some time, not some carefully orchestrated attempt to pull the wool over peoples' eyes. I don't support it myself, but it is what it is.


A recent article from the BBC that examines the contention of people like you that Sweden (and Malmo in particular) has become the rape capital of Europe:


That's your excuse for voting neo-Nazi gone - sorry bruv.

I am aware of that article from BBC, they are just repeating arguments our government has been feeding us for decades.

At closer inspection they don't hold water. You just need to look at crime rates over a longer time frame and look at crime rates of immigrants in our neighboring countries. We can see that we have gone from similar violent crime rates to more than twice as high than countries like Norway in a span of a few decades. Why is that Jalfrezi?

Relative murder rate of Sweden compared to USA, we are still much lower but catching up!

This is a textbook definition of bigotry - refusal to change one's mind when confronted with contradictory evidence.

In place of this examination by an independent party (the BBC) and in pursuit of evidence that immigrants are responsible for rising crime in Sweden, you offer us...


which clearly shows murder rates increasing years before the current wave of immigration - to my eyes I'd say it started increasing in the 1980's, had a brief dip in the early 90's then continued upwards.

What actual evidence do you have (I mean evidence, not muck raking) that this is due to immigration?

Not really I think a subject as serious as this deserves an honest an open discussion. If someone posts what you deem to be sweeping claims or selective facts then the best way to counter this is not to censor them but to disprove them which should be easy if they are wrong.

If you sensor them it makes it seem like you cant counter them and your arguments are weak.

Confronted with contradictory evidence? Do you really think that article showed me something new? The BBC is just repeating our governments official line and it is full of deceptive information.

Murder rates will have large variance from year to year since we are such a small country. The point I am making here is that murder rates have dropped significantly in the USA and western Europe in the last few decades, like dropped by about half. We are the exception, yet when our politicians defend Sweden they bring up current murder rates and point out that we are much lower than USA, that is not very meaningful information.

I know from different sources that the majority of inmates serving long prison sentences are of foreign origin. So how can they be committing most serious crimes and not affect crime rates negatively? You are naive to believe that our government is hiding statistics for any other reason than to protect themselves politically and to not give SD any more ammunition.

The Swedish people are beginning to see through all the BS and the backlash is just beginning.

We have had a steady high level of immigration since the late 70's. I never claimed or believe that the recent wave of immigration has affected crime rates significantly.

You keep making this claim, but keep failing to provide evidence to support it. Why is that?

I very much doubt that's true, but in any case you aren't allowed to use anecdotes or heresay as evidence - cite or retract please.

There's a saying that statisticians are fond of - it goes "correlation is not causation".

52,5% of all inmates serving long term sentences had foreign origin. I take that as meaning born abroad.

Proof is in chart 4.9
https://www.kriminalvarden.se/global...r-i-sverigepdf

The numbers are of course much higher if we include first generation immigrants. This is something that can not be cited by a reliable source though, since ethnicity of inmates is not released.

I will post more about why the official narrative is misleading later, just don't have time to make a comprehensive enough post right now.

So 47.5% of long term offenders are native Swedes? Seems like you could reduce crime a lot by getting rid of them too.

Completely wrong. I'm actually for vastly increasing immigration to the USA. I'd like to bring in 10 million per year for at least a decade.

But I'm also for hearing everyone's opinion and not blocking out those who might disagree with me.

What % of the population are foreign ?