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06-07-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Eastern Europe makes for an interesting comparison, I agree. As well as not suffering from fundamentalist terrorism, it's also in a somewhat depressed state having been largely occupied by Nazis, Communists or both, and many of its people have emigrated to Western Europe. I have family in one such country and despite the problems with small scale terrorist attacks I'd much, much rather live here.
Agreed, but that opens a whole new discussion, I would rather concentrate on the pros and cons of mass non western immigration, a very real reality for us in Sweden.
06-07-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
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Those second generation immigrants from non western countries you have such hope for are the cause of our non-go zones and count for a large percentage of terrorist attacks committed in Europe.

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Uh,

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Originally Posted by Marn
Agreed, but that opens a whole new discussion, I would rather concentrate on the pros and cons of mass non western immigration, a very real reality for us in Sweden.
no, you wouldn't.
06-07-2017 , 03:59 PM
Marn, your Honorary Aryan status is confirmed, right?
06-07-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Those second generation immigrants from non western countries you have such hope for are the cause of our non-go zones and count for a large percentage of terrorist attacks committed in Europe.
I do know there's no area of the UK I couldn't go to because of antipathy to British people from immigrants because I lived for a decade in one of the most Muslim parts of the country.

I don't know whether Sweden really has no-go zones. but if it does why do you think they exist?
06-07-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I do know there's no area of the UK I couldn't go to because of antipathy to British people from immigrants because I lived for a decade in one of the most Muslim parts of the country.

I don't know whether Sweden really has no-go zones. but if it does why do you think they exist?
Do I sense a change in tone? That is welcome, I will try to return the favor.

We define no-go zones differently depending on who is doing the talking and what we want to communicate.

Our police force has designated a growing number of areas as 'challenged areas'. In practice this means that there is a significant chance of police getting attacked when entering these areas and attempting an arrest, hence several police cars are required. Ambulances and even fire brigades are frequently vandalized and sometimes even burned in these areas. We have about 10x the number of cars burned per year compared to Norway and Finland, these are concentrated to the no-go zones.

So no matter how we officially define these areas, they are a challenge to law and order and integration and it is a growing problem.
06-07-2017 , 05:23 PM
So you're talking about no-go areas for the Police and other emergency services?

I know of some very deprived parts of the UK that would qualify under that definition, but it would be because of the situation and behaviour of native Britons, not immigrants.

Also, we've had this same conversation before, not that long ago.
06-07-2017 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

I know of some very deprived parts of the UK that would qualify under that definition, but it would be because of the situation and behaviour of native Britons, not immigrants.
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Native Britons try to keep the police out and attack emergency services in their area? Do you have anything to back this up? In Sweden it is a problem entirely concentrated to immigrant areas.
06-07-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Native Britons try to keep the police out and attack emergency services in their area? Do you have anything to back this up? In Sweden it is a problem entirely concentrated to immigrant areas.
Daily Record is a Scottish paper

Remember that some of these areas are extremely deprived and you might be shocked if you saw them.
06-07-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Native Britons try to keep the police out and attack emergency services in their area?
They used to on the Marquess Estate in Islington when I lived near there in the Nineties. Police eventually lost patience after a couple of officers were beaten up and then they blitzed the place and arrested whole families, which kind of put a stop to that.
06-07-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
They used to on the Marquess Estate in Islington when I lived near there in the Nineties. Police eventually lost patience after a couple of officers were beaten up and then they blitzed the place and arrested whole families, which kind of put a stop to that.
Good, Swedish police should take notes instead of letting the problem grow.
06-07-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Dude that is the lie we have been told to accept this mass immigration from the third world. The majority of our immigration is precisely this kind of immigration when including their family reunions which is basically economically equivalent.

Had the politicians told us that we have to sacrifice some of our wealth to help these people in our country and compared that to the alternative of foreign aid to war zones and their neighboring countries, then we wouldn't have been nearly as positive to this development. People feel betrayed by all the lies told and the tides are turning in public opinion. Not sure if it is too little too late though.

Those second generation immigrants from non western countries you have such hope for are the cause of our non-go zones and count for a large percentage of terrorist attacks committed in Europe.

Eastern Europe seems to be spared from such problems, I wonder why?
06-07-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
Native Britons try to keep the police out and attack emergency services in their area? Do you have anything to back this up? In Sweden it is a problem entirely concentrated to immigrant areas.
I was actually about to mention that before Jalfrazi posted that link is that there are no go zones in Scotland and plenty of them are mostly white areas.

If no go zones are places you shouldnt go after dark then Glasgow has plenty of them and its not Muslim Migrants that you should be worried about.
06-08-2017 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Have your minds changed yet about the travel ban?
mongidig forgets - but the Washington Post remembers - the original travel ban was supposed to last 120 days, intentionally meant to be a temporary measure until more extreme vetting could be put in place.

The original travel ban was put in place 129 days ago. That means that, without any interference, it would have expired 9 days ago. The Trump administration, in enacting the original ban, then, claims that enough time has now passed for it to no longer be necessary!

Some members of the administration said the courts hurt that process:

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David Lapan, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, told USA Today that the department was not crafting new vetting procedures because the courts had halted the executive order directing them to do so.
But experts are skeptical:

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Lawyers and other experts dispute this characterization of the court order. “I do not think the injunction included not being able to plan for vetting,” said Leon Fresco, an immigration lawyer at Holland & Knight. “What was enjoined was the part of the order that prevented letting in individuals.”

Andrew Rudalevige, a political science professor at Bowdoin, agreed that the White House could have just started vetting procedures while the travel ban was paused: “There was nothing stopping him.”
And fortunately for us all, the moron in chief contradicted his own DHS spokesman:

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This week, Trump tweeted that “extreme vetting” procedures have already been developed, a statement deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed. (Last week, the Trump administration rolled out a new questionnaire for visa applicants, which asks for social media usernames, among other things.)
So, there we go! No more travel ban needed Thanks for bringing this up agian, mongidig!
06-09-2017 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Love Sosa
Poland sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it?
06-09-2017 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LadyAce
Poland sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't it?
Ah, yes, this map is quite illustrative as long as you ignore...

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Originally Posted by Husker
If the yellow dots on that map are supposed to be terror attacks then it's lol bad. It's nonsense
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
That one in the North Sea looks a bit dodgy.
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Originally Posted by Husker
Gotta admit, I can't remember those 3 terror attacks that happened just north of Edinburgh on the East Coast of Scotland
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
I remember the Glasgow airport incident, and then I don't think there was anything before the Lockerbie bombing.

Are any of the splodges IRA?
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Also, Poland is a member of the EU and the Schengen Area, so immigration policy is not that strict.
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Originally Posted by Husker
It's also rather interesting when you do a reverse image search to see who has been posting it. I got 13 results

#Proudamerican
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Welcome to P7 LadyAce, with posts like this you're gonna fit right in!
07-01-2017 , 01:30 PM
danish-muslim-politician-confronts-senders-of-hate-mail

Some excerpts:

Her: "You called me a monkey"
Him "I'm really not a racist, I'm the opposite"

Her: "You stated you want a peaceful world without pigs destroying our values"
Him: "It was meant as an eye opener"

Her: "You called me nasty vermin"
Him: "I'm really just a concerned citizen"

and so on.

Would be interesting to hear Marn's opinion of this exchange.
07-02-2017 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
danish-muslim-politician-confronts-senders-of-hate-mail

Some excerpts:

Her: "You called me a monkey"
Him "I'm really not a racist, I'm the opposite"

Her: "You stated you want a peaceful world without pigs destroying our values"
Him: "It was meant as an eye opener"

Her: "You called me nasty vermin"
Him: "I'm really just a concerned citizen"

and so on.

Would be interesting to hear Marn's opinion of this exchange.
Whats your take on it?
07-02-2017 , 10:51 AM
I suspect his attitudes may be quite representative of people in general who have little experience of mixing with other cultures, and of those Scandis in particular.

The things he's saying aren't much different from what you used to hear from Brits in the 70's before they wised up, which is pretty much my view of Marn and his anti-Muslim friends.

What's your take?
07-02-2017 , 10:59 AM
USA#1, Can you feel the extra safety now being derived from the temp-banned grandparents?
07-02-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I suspect his attitudes may be quite representative of people in general who have little experience of mixing with other cultures, and of those Scandis in particular.

The things he's saying aren't much different from what you used to hear from Brits in the 70's before they wised up , which is pretty much my view of Marn and his anti-Muslim friends.

What's your take?

Are you not just generalizing Scandis in a similar way that this guy would about Muslims? That is not my experience of them at all seem very open minded to me ( the ones iv met in person)

I think you are right about your assessment of the guy but I want to see the full video and to find out her opinion of him and vice versa after they met. Did she see any redeeming qualities in him ? Was weird when they departed ways she seemed quite warm towards him maybe he apologized or maybe she is just has loads of patience or maybe even pities him a little bit.

Would be interested to see if he had anything constructive to say or if he was just a mindless bigot.

Disagree that Marn is an anti Muslim bigot, in fact I think its dangerous to lump him in with guys who hate Muslims full stop. I dont think its correct to label people who have concerns about immigration automatically as bigots although im sure some are.
07-02-2017 , 01:09 PM
I said of those Scandis in particular - those being "who have little experience of mixing with other cultures" - not Scandis as a whole.

I think her attitude towards that idiot was exemplary and never condescending,and showed up the concern about immigration in those countries for what it is.

As regards Marn - he's a somewhat confused but self-confessed supporter of the Sweden Democrats party, which despite its name are a far right group whose history has been gone into many times here (their pre-rebranding logo was based on the UK National Front's and many of their founding members expressed support for the Nazis) and which you can judge for yourself on their wiki page, suffice to say they don't cover themselves in glory - some of their public spats have featured the sort of bigoted racism spouted by the guy in this video... and Marn supports them.

No doubt he'll turn up here soon to say they're just misunderstood.
07-02-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I said of those Scandis in particular - those being "who have little experience of mixing with other cultures" - not Scandis as a whole.

I think her attitude towards that idiot was exemplary and never condescending,and showed up the concern about immigration in those countries for what it is.


As regards Marn - he's a somewhat confused but self-confessed supporter of the Sweden Democrats party, which despite its name are a far right group whose history has been gone into many times here (their pre-rebranding logo was based on the UK National Front's and many of their founding members expressed support for the Nazis) and which you can judge for yourself on their wiki page, suffice to say they don't cover themselves in glory - some of their public spats have featured the sort of bigoted racism spouted by the guy in this video... and Marn supports them.

No doubt he'll turn up here soon to say they're just misunderstood.
Ah gotcha fair enough.

Yea Dont know too much about them their wiki page doesnt exactly cover them in glory though. Dont read every single post here but nothing Marn has said has stood out as bigoted to me.
07-03-2017 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
danish-muslim-politician-confronts-senders-of-hate-mail

Some excerpts:

Her: "You called me a monkey"
Him "I'm really not a racist, I'm the opposite"

Her: "You stated you want a peaceful world without pigs destroying our values"
Him: "It was meant as an eye opener"

Her: "You called me nasty vermin"
Him: "I'm really just a concerned citizen"

and so on.

Would be interesting to hear Marn's opinion of this exchange.
What opinion do you expect me to have on a 2min cut up exchange? I am sure this is a lovely women with her heart in the right place, but I have no background information so I will refrain from giving this exchange any verdict. What is your take?

I am not talking about what was supposedly written before the exchange, those are obviously over the top vulgar.

BTW, Swedish Democrats are the most harassed group of politicians, it has gone so far that many need 24h protection and many local politician seats are left open since nobody wants to deal with the negatives on many levels of being a SD politician. At the same time we have Islamists infiltrating our leftist political parties. It is a sad state of affairs.

I am contemplating engaging myself in SD, but I am just not sure if the negatives are worth it. We still have a social stigma surrounding the party, but things are slowly changing for the better and the more they grow the harder it will be to freeze them out.
07-03-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I said of those Scandis in particular - those being "who have little experience of mixing with other cultures" - not Scandis as a whole.
I had to change my passport with 10 years validity after 5 years since it was filled with stamps and granted visas!

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As regards Marn - he's a somewhat confused but self-confessed supporter of the Sweden Democrats party, which despite its name are a far right group whose history has been gone into many times here (their pre-rebranding logo was based on the UK National Front's and many of their founding members expressed support for the Nazis) and which you can judge for yourself on their wiki page, suffice to say they don't cover themselves in glory - some of their public spats have featured the sort of bigoted racism spouted by the guy in this video... and Marn supports them.

No doubt he'll turn up here soon to say they're just misunderstood.
I am not confused at all. We have the rest of our political parties in paralyses since nobody wants to be accused of supporting SD, so what we have instead is full blown leftist immigration policies, the results are unfolding and they are not pretty.

How about not attributing some random guy in Denmark to SD politics? Yeah sure there is some baggage in the party but they have cleaned most of it out. Unless the establishment gets their **** together they will get my support and their support will continue to grow. They are not ideal, but they are better than the alternative.
07-03-2017 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
I am not talking about what was supposedly written before the exchange, those are obviously over the top vulgar.
See, here we have the nub of the problem. Vulgarity is wearing inappropriately garish clothes on a sombre occasion. Vulgarity does not adequately describe someone with racist views. The fact that you think this guy's opinions are merely some sort of social faux pas says it all.

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Originally Posted by Marn
At the same time we have Islamists infiltrating our leftist political parties.
Citation needed.

      
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