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How specifically is Donald Trump a better president than Barack Obama? How specifically is Donald Trump a better president than Barack Obama?

05-25-2017 , 07:09 AM
Ok ok, I know it's still quite early in his presidency, but because he is a world class negotiator, and the man that wrote () The Art of The Deal, I think he's had a chance to show how great the next three and a half years are going to be.

So I'm sure there are people here who already think Donald Trump is a better president than Barack Obama. I'd like to know how exactly?

How specifically is Donald Trump a better president than Barack Obama?


Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 05-25-2017 at 07:09 AM. Reason: (being white does not count)
05-25-2017 , 07:12 AM
Here's something specific I'm really curious about, for the Trump supporters.

There were EPA regulations put in place under the Obama administration which prohibited mining companies from dumping their toxic waste into streams and rivers, which looks like this.





Donald Trump, through executive order, repealed those Obama era environmental regulations, and mining companies can now dump their waste into streams and rivers.

How exactly is Donald Trump a better president in regards to this specific environmental issue/regulation, and how exactly does this make America great again?
05-25-2017 , 07:15 AM
Is Trump leaking highly classified intelligence on ISIS of Israeli origin to Russian spies in the oval office better or worse than Obama NOT leaking highly classified intelligence on ISIS of Isreali origin to Russian spies in the oval office?

Is Trump allowing the Turkish dictator to order his g-men to attack American protestors in front of the white house better or worse than Obama NOT allowing the Turkish dictator to order his g-gmen to attack American protestors in front of the white house?

Is Trump telling the Phillipine president who literally kills drug dealers and users personally where two of our nuclear subs are better or worse than Obama NOT telling that guy things like that?

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 05-25-2017 at 07:24 AM.
05-25-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Here's something specific I'm really curious about, for the Trump supporters.

There were EPA regulations put in place under the Obama administration which prohibited mining companies from dumping their toxic waste into streams and rivers, which looks like this.





Donald Trump, through executive order, repealed those Obama era environmental regulations, and mining companies can now dump their waste into streams and rivers.

How exactly is Donald Trump a better president in regards to this specific environmental issue/regulation, and how exactly does this make America great again?
It makes it easier to do business in the US. Companies can make more revenue and thus hire more employees and pay them more. It will also keep companies in the US and hopefully bring some back.
05-25-2017 , 10:35 AM
Also, radioactive water is necessary for the perpetuation of mongidig's species.
05-25-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Is Trump leaking highly classified intelligence on ISIS of Israeli origin to Russian spies in the oval office better or worse than Obama NOT leaking highly classified intelligence on ISIS of Isreali origin to Russian spies in the oval office?

Is Trump allowing the Turkish dictator to order his g-men to attack American protestors in front of the white house better or worse than Obama NOT allowing the Turkish dictator to order his g-gmen to attack American protestors in front of the white house?

Is Trump telling the Phillipine president who literally kills drug dealers and users personally where two of our nuclear subs are better or worse than Obama NOT telling that guy things like that?
Let me rephrase your questions.

Is Trump leaking highly classified information?

Is Trump allowing the Turkish leader to order his g-men to attack protesters?

Is Trump telling Phillipind President where our nuclear subs are?
05-25-2017 , 10:42 AM
Also, TRUMP's policies are good because they make the water more orange, and thus more TRUMP-like, making America much more greaterer.
05-25-2017 , 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Here's something specific I'm really curious about, for the Trump supporters.

There were EPA regulations put in place under the Obama administration which prohibited mining companies from dumping their toxic waste into streams and rivers, which looks like this.





Donald Trump, through executive order, repealed those Obama era environmental regulations, and mining companies can now dump their waste into streams and rivers.

How exactly is Donald Trump a better president in regards to this specific environmental issue/regulation, and how exactly does this make America great again?
Well the stream protection rule was in effect for exactly one day of the Obama administration. Can you really call that an Obama era regulation?
05-25-2017 , 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Is Trump leaking highly classified intelligence on ISIS of Israeli origin to Russian spies in the oval office better or worse than Obama NOT leaking highly classified intelligence on ISIS of Isreali origin to Russian spies in the oval office?

Is Trump allowing the Turkish dictator to order his g-men to attack American protestors in front of the white house better or worse than Obama NOT allowing the Turkish dictator to order his g-gmen to attack American protestors in front of the white house?

Is Trump telling the Phillipine president who literally kills drug dealers and users personally where two of our nuclear subs are better or worse than Obama NOT telling that guy things like that?
Did you read the whole story regarding the Turkish proresters? Of course you didn't. you people read a headline in one of your leftist publications and that's the whole story to you.

Here is the rest of the story. Earlier anti Erdogan protesters through rocks and committed physical acts of violence against peaceful Erdogan supporters. Things were still violent when the Erdogan motorcade went by so in self defense the Erdogan people had to intervene.
05-25-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by guller
Well the stream protection rule was in effect for exactly one day of the Obama administration. Can you really call that an Obama era regulation?
Exactly!

Notice we haven't heard from the thread starter in a while? This went bad for him pretty quickly lol!
05-25-2017 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by guller
Well the stream protection rule was in effect for exactly one day of the Obama administration. Can you really call that an Obama era regulation?
While this might be true, Obama did cancel the DAPL pipeline.
05-26-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Exactly!

Notice we haven't heard from the thread starter in a while? This went bad for him pretty quickly lol!

Her.



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Originally Posted by mongidig
It makes it easier to do business in the US. Companies can make more revenue and thus hire more employees and pay them more. It will also keep companies in the US and hopefully bring some back.
The coal mining industry is decreasing, not increasing. This is due to better alternative sources of energy such as solar.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/b...rump.html?_r=0

Top down economics doesn't work. If companies make more money, the executives just take it all. It doesn't get passed down to the working class, where wages have been stagnant for decades.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...d-for-decades/


Why should profits for coal mining companies come before the future habitability of Earth? Why should profits for coal mining companies come before the safety of drinking water for Americans? How does Trump putting profits over Earth's habitability and American's drinking water make him a better president than Obama? Are you saying rich people making even more money now is worth these expenses? (you do know what happens when the Earth is inhabitable, right?)




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Originally Posted by mongidig
Let me rephrase your questions.

Is Trump leaking highly classified information?

Is Trump allowing the Turkish leader to order his g-men to attack protesters?

Is Trump telling Phillipind President where our nuclear subs are?

Yes.
http://www.npr.org/2017/05/15/528511...te-house-visit

Yes, effectively by not coming to the defense of the American people. These Muslim guests of Trump attacked Americans and the host didn't say a god damn thing about it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...rotest-dc.html

Yes.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-no...-idUSKBN18K15Y



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Originally Posted by guller
Well the stream protection rule was in effect for exactly one day of the Obama administration. Can you really call that an Obama era regulation?
Only if you consider regulations passed under the Obama administration to be Obama era regulations. So, yes, in the literal since of the word.

It was finalized in December, so the point is this: We humans are having a devastating impact on the Earth. We are driving countless species extinct due to habitat destruction, we have filled the oceans with plastic and garbage to the point where there are large patches of garbage clumped together floating like schools of garbage fish, and since the industrial revolution, we have emitted so much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, we are causing the global temperature to rise, leading to the melting of the polar caps.

So there comes a point where you have to take major action immediately to try to protect the environment, to try to save the habitability of the planet. But you cannot do everything with one piece of legislation or one regulation, so you have to address issues individually and gradually build up environmental protections.

So given the state of the Earth and its environment that we are currently facing, do you think it really makes sense to repeal a regulation that was likely to prevent the pollution of millions of gallons of river or stream water?

A second question. Do you realize that rivers and streams flow into larger bodies of water, which are very often sources of drinking water?

I'll assume anyone with a mostly properly functioning brain is up on the basics of these scientific claims I've mentioned, but I'm happy to provide citations for these statements if reader's scientific understanding and knowledge is lacking or non existent ...

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 05-26-2017 at 10:02 AM. Reason: or propagandized by oil and gas companies ...
05-26-2017 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Did you read the whole story regarding the Turkish proresters? Of course you didn't. you people read a headline in one of your leftist publications and that's the whole story to you.

Here is the rest of the story. Earlier anti Erdogan protesters through rocks and committed physical acts of violence against peaceful Erdogan supporters. Things were still violent when the Erdogan motorcade went by so in self defense the Erdogan people had to intervene.

Can you please cite these claims?

And can you explain why this video evidence completely contradicts your bolded statement?





Notice that there is just protest going on in the background, a woman can be heard on a bull horn, some cheering, etc., then after Erdogan orders his G-men to attack them, all hell breaks loose.

Sure looks to me like Muslim Turkish dictator, and guest of Trump, Erdogan, ordered his thugs to attack American protestors in front of the white house, with Trump not even tweeting a peep in condemnation.

How exactly does this make Trump a better president than Obama?
05-26-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Can you please cite these claims?

And can you explain why this video evidence completely contradicts your bolded statement?





Notice that there is just protest going on in the background, a woman can be heard on a bull horn, some cheering, etc., then after Erdogan orders his G-men to attack them, all hell breaks loose.

Sure looks to me like Muslim Turkish dictator, and guest of Trump, Erdogan, ordered his thugs to attack American protestors in front of the white house, with Trump not even tweeting a peep in condemnation.

How exactly does this make Trump a better president than Obama?
This was outside the White House?

You know for sure Ergogan ordered the attack?

There is nothing conclusive about this video. It appears to me they were trying to protect their leader.

It looks like a job well done too me.
05-26-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This was outside the White House?

You know for sure Ergogan ordered the attack?

There is nothing conclusive about this video. It appears to me they were trying to protect their leader.

It looks like a job well done too me.
Yes. Yes. No. No.
05-26-2017 , 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass

Only if you consider regulations passed under the Obama administration to be Obama era regulations. So, yes, in the literal since of the word.

It was finalized in December, so the point is this: We humans are having a devastating impact on the Earth. We are driving countless species extinct due to habitat destruction, we have filled the oceans with plastic and garbage to the point where there are large patches of garbage clumped together floating like schools of garbage fish, and since the industrial revolution, we have emitted so much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, we are causing the global temperature to rise, leading to the melting of the polar caps.

So there comes a point where you have to take major action immediately to try to protect the environment, to try to save the habitability of the planet. But you cannot do everything with one piece of legislation or one regulation, so you have to address issues individually and gradually build up environmental protections.

So given the state of the Earth and its environment that we are currently facing, do you think it really makes sense to repeal a regulation that was likely to prevent the pollution of millions of gallons of river or stream water?

A second question. Do you realize that rivers and streams flow into larger bodies of water, which are very often sources of drinking water?

I'll assume anyone with a mostly properly functioning brain is up on the basics of these scientific claims I've mentioned, but I'm happy to provide citations for these statements if reader's scientific understanding and knowledge is lacking or non existent ...
I see where you are coming from; however, you framed your question as if Obama had this rule in place for the entire 8 years. You asked "how exactly is Donald Trump a better president in regards to this specific environmental issue/regulation, and how exactly does this make America great again?"

When in actuality, Obama didn't saddle himself with these regulations at all. They were purposely over-reaching to elicit the planned emotional response that they got when they were rejected, and it worked.

Coal may be slowing down, but is slowing down because of market forces. Natural gas burning is presently cheaper (due to fracking), so we will move to that for a while until something else becomes even cheaper. Perhaps that will be solar or wind, but perhaps there will be other innovation as well. Maybe someone develops a complete carbon capture/scrubber system that makes coal viable again, who knows. One thing I do know is that having the government pick winners and losers (solar right now) will create a market distortion that will hinder natural innovation.

I know everyone likes to think that solar is completely environmentally green, but have a look at some of the rare-earth metal strip mines used to make solar equipment and batteries. That may be even worse for rivers and streams?
05-26-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This was outside the White House?

You know for sure Ergogan ordered the attack?

There is nothing conclusive about this video. It appears to me they were trying to protect their leader.

It looks like a job well done too me.
Trump supporters love violence against innocent people. Can't wait till you guys are gone.
05-26-2017 , 12:51 PM
A police officer and two secret service agents were injured in that attack. Mongidig still approves I bet.
05-26-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Trump supporters love violence against innocent people. Can't wait till you guys are gone.
I'll admit I have watched this video and others several times. I do enjoy it.

If people are gonna protest in a highly secure area they should expect to get beat up. This is how it's done. Did you see how quickly the crowd dispersed?

If you try to block a road you may get run over.

If you committ a crime you may get shot.

Why don't you people have a protest against terrorists, or criminals? You're always on the wrong side of history.
05-26-2017 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
A police officer and two secret service agents were injured in that attack. Mongidig still approves I bet.
I bet protests are responsible for more people being hurt or killed than the people or groups they are protesting against.

500k dead in Syria because of protests. One idiot lights himself on fire in Tunisia and this is the result.

You people need to start using your brains.
05-26-2017 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I'll admit I have watched this video and others several times. I do enjoy it.
If a few police officers get hurt it doesn't matter as long as some nonviolent protesters get kicked in the face while they are on the ground, right?
05-26-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I bet protests are responsible for more people being hurt or killed than the people or groups they are protesting against.

500k dead in Syria because of protests. One idiot lights himself on fire in Tunisia and this is the result.

You people need to start using your brains.
This post is practically psychopathic.
05-26-2017 , 01:32 PM
not black
05-26-2017 , 03:08 PM
The fact that anyone thinks that we can make an accurate assessment of Obama's presidency right now is dumb. Thinking you can do the same with Trump while it's still going on is asinine. It's almost as bad as taking one policy issue of two different presidents and basing their value solely on that. O, wait...
05-27-2017 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by xnbomb
The fact that anyone thinks that we can make an accurate assessment of Obama's presidency right now is dumb. Thinking you can do the same with Trump while it's still going on is asinine.
So we should wait to see how cancer research fares amid decreased funding? Surely, we don't know yet how bigly the private sector will swoop in and fill the void left by eviscerated after-school programs for urban youth. And its impossible to know, YET, how rapidly deteriorating intelligence-sharing agreements will effect national security. Who knows how we might benefit by his sentiment of violence and war on press freedoms?

Yes, all very premature. Never mind his painfully obvious descent into dementia. Let's give Trump time. It's "asinine" not to.

      
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