As everyone knows, white supremacist president of the 'National Policy Institute' and overall human scumbag Richard Spencer was sucker-punched by a masked assailant in public the other day.

This was celebrated and meme-ified, and there has been discussion of "is it right to punch a nazi" with, what seems to me at least, a general consensus among many democrats that Yes, punching a white supremacist / neo-nazi is justified and to be celebrated.

While I find Richard Spencer an absolutely vile human being, worthy of any and all derision and protest, at the same time my overall position of physical violence against another human being that is not engaged in physical violence is not justified.

Legally, he was criminally assaulted. The fact it was a sucker-punch by a masked person who then ran away makes the act even more cowardly.

When I was in college there were two crazy people that would appear on campus frequently, one a religious zealot that was telling everyone they were going to burn in hell and another that was a white supremacist. While engaging these people and shouting them down and protesting them, it never occurred to me to physically assault them, as it is against my principles.

In your eyes, is it okay to engage in physical violence against people that engage in hate-speech and that espouse disgusting views?

If you believe that to be the case, what level of violence acceptable? And how disgusting and abhorrent do the views have to be in order to justify the violence?

Is it acceptable to spit on these people? To shove them to escalate violence? To stab them with a knife? To execute them with a firearm? There is a distinction between picking a fight and a confrontation escalating than a pure sucker-punch out of the blue on a defenseless human.

Thoughts?

I think the question you mean to ask is, "Is it right to return the violence these people have visited upon others, increasingly since the ascent of trump?"

No, my questions were quite clear in the OP. Care to answer them?

Bout tree fiddy.

That violence was totally wrong but not because of who it was directed against.

There's no justification of that sort of behaviour on the basis of 'he deserved it'. Well not a decent/liberal one anyway.

cheezelawg, this is the dark ages of trump. Hypocrisy is no longer a bad thing. Shame is no longer necessary. Free yourself, man, go punch a nazi today!

Shocking no one, Noodle seems unable to state any position or answer a single question in the OP.

Being serious about it, I believe the reverse is true. More than ever this is the time that we really need to stand up for decency and good values.

The mass movement of protest that appears to be getting going, will I hope and expect, be one primarily of non-violent, civil protest using the methods of standing in the way and non-cooperation.

That if you had stopped after the thread title, and not written a single word, literally every ****ing person who reads this forum already knew what your opinion on le incident Spencer would be.

So, no real answers to any questions huh? Expected.

A position of non-violence is a good one in my world.

Warren Ellis, an English author,



Transparent bull**** from the usual suspects ITT. Anti-fascism is the ultimate liberal value.

Care to answer the questions in the OP?

Also, how do you feel about the comments from liberal Benedict Evans? Check his timeline and responses out if you wish: Benedict Twitter. Careful though, the guy was a yuge Hillary supporter! He seems to be on the same page as me :x

Dan, boy, howdy given how much you melted down for the past few months when we called you a Donald Trump supporter you are REALLY not going to like what's in store for you after this post.

Please continue and Correct The Record for me, let me know the views of a flip-flopping on HRC, OWS-hating fake progressive homophobe on the topic in the OP.

Dan the only "liberals" who are coming down on the "don't punch Nazis" side are Hillary people!

Because you aren't actually liberal, and never have been(you don't read any leftist publications, don't follow leftists on Twitter, and so forth), I'm not surprised that you didn't see this coming, but the actual left despises fascism while liberals worship "the discourse" and ****. Seriously I am ****ing tired of trying so hard to improve your act here, all that ****ing advice I gave you at how to pretend better and you're in here stanning for Nazis. That's going backwards! You're going to be back on the gold standard **** by spring, aren't you?

So, again you are unable to even express your exact views and address the questions in the OP?

Why shouldn't we punch Nazis? Where should we draw the line at mocking their ideology? They had a chance to push their ideas forward and failed during the 40's why do they deserve another shot? What has changed?

Kerowo,

I am interested in your responses to the questions posed in the OP.

Jesus, I read your thread title, you can't expect me read an entire ****ing post.

I'm going to stick to the clear cut case of punching nazis. "hate speech" and "disgusting views" is open to interpretation and long boring posts by the SMP typers. The rest of the people you don't agree with shouldn't be physically punished for their stupid views with the possible exception to those who incite violence against others.

Like, when gormless unprincipled idiots phrase this **** like this it gives it away.

Being a Nazi vs. not being a Nazi aren't two sides of a ****ing legitimate political conversation upon which Richard Spencer and that antifa had a DISAGREEMENT ABOUT.

Millions of people were exterminated by fascists the last time they took power. It's literal ****ing evil.

HastenDan the NaziMan has a trap he's just ACHING to spring on some rude antifa poster as some small measure of #JusticeForPepe and nobody is letting him spring it lol.


****ing debate club pedantry is another huge tell you aren't actually a leftist, Dan, that's some strictly 4 the libertarians ****.

I see. Any answers to the questions in OP as to where you are drawing lines and what levels are acceptable?

You've been asked some questions, why not take a shot at answering them?

FlyWF, I know you are a homophobic racist neoliberal that despises true progressives, but can you at least clarify your views, or are you too busy stroking it to the idea of someone having the nerve to actually assault someone instead of just fantasizing about it?