Prefer constructed or limited? To cube or not to cube? Do you find the time to sling a spell or two while you inform and organize the forum?

Spell casting is allowed and encouraged even!

Limited is definitely the way to go, it's a better test of skill in the long run! I don't play any more but I used to play both constructed and limited. But 3-booster draft is also the best limited format.

This guy is a criminal. He murdered another human.

Why should we care how he is treated in prison?

Do you care about his victim and their family?

Do you really understand care a whole bunch? It is possible to care for everyone in a situation. Some folks even refer to it as civilized to do so.

I do care about the victim and the guy is rightfully in prison since he committed murder.

What's not right is treating prisoners like livestock, putting them in solitary confinement for prolonged periods of time (often for little to no real reason), giving them inadequate food, no access to any kind of educational programs, no access to basic medical treatment, these are all not right and are crimes against humanity. In many ways, you can judge a society by how they treat their prisoners. Prisoners have no choice to be where they are unlike you or me who can just up and move to another state if things get bad. Sometimes they are punished by being deprived of water, and sometimes inmates die or lose limbs needlessly due to these conditions and again, the lack of basic medical treatment.

Conditions are so bad in many of these prisons, even the prison C.O.s and other workers have gone on strike alongside the prisoners in solidarity. Both for better wages and safer conditions for both prisoners and guards. Unfortunately this is not being very well covered in the mainstream media, which is why I chose to highlight this issue in this thread.

Alabama prison guards went on strike, Department of Corrections confirms
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in...ions_conf.html
Honestly we have no idea exactly the extent and breadth of these strikes because these prisons operate like black boxes. Often even family members of prisoners have no legal way of getting info about a prisoner, and you certainly can't get info about procedure or conditions. It's all very opaque and very unsafe, both for the prisoners and the people who work in the prisons.

Alabama prison riot: Warden, guard stabbed in uprising at Holman Correctional Facility
https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/i...at_holman.html

Inmate who died in jail "subjected to a form of torture," family says
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrill-...e-family-says/

If you act like an animal, you should be treated like an animal.

Sure I care...about the victims. I care about innocent, law abiding people.

Do you? I always see you stick up for the criminals. Are you willing to stick up for the non criminals?

If you treat people like an animal are you acting like one?

Prisoners don't have a choice of were they're at? I'm pretty sure they chose to committ a crime. This is the difference between the regressive left and conservatives. Conservatives take accountability for their actions the leftists do not. If you act like a victim you will always be a victim.

Once they're in prison, they can't just simply leave. They're in prison to pay their debt to society, how can they pay they that debt if they are subjected to unsafe conditions, basically torture?

Did you know that most prisoners will be released? The vast majority of them are not lifers. That means they'll be back in society. Do you want those people to have a chance at a job and a productive life when they get out of incarceration? They need to be treated humanely and they need a chance for a basic education while they're paying their debt to society.

If you walk a dog are you acting like a pet?

Ok, so you want to treat people like an animal so you are one.

I agree with you for those who should be released. I think those who committ crimes like murder or rape are one and done. I wish we could execute them upon the guilty verdict.

There should be exceptions for some second degree murder situations.

Maybe if we weren't so nice to criminals, they wouldn't committ so many crimes.

You can't, don't, and haven't always seen me doing ****. And, that's quite an accusation for someone concerned with caring for justice and innocence. So, tell us more about your expertise in caring.

If you want to get rid of crime, you've got to actively address the issues of poverty. Extreme deterrence simply doesn't work, scientifically speaking.

Turning Prisoners Into Slaves Doesn't Deter Crime
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-t-deter-crime

I have little to no compassion for those who put themeselves into bad situations over and over again.

I don't think my accusation is off base.

If there is a police shooting you're probably on the side of the criminal who got shot.

If there is a crime, you're probably more concerned about the criminals rights.

If there is a terrorist attack you're probably more concerned about offending Muslims.

Am I right?

Accountability!

Thanks for sharing this.

Do you think if we hung crminals upside down by their toes for a week instead of years of incarceration, this would create more of a deterrent? Show these people hanging by their toes to kids in school and on public TV to get the word out. Save money, and get these folks back to work in the real world. This would be for crimes other than murder and rape.

So you have math or something to back your probable-framed speculations?

And, Wait, so do you think your opinion about some people gives you a magic ability to determine some other people's opinions about people?

Let's face it. You can't know enough to even make barely educated-guesses for which you refer.

You are free of course to have your opinions on convicts and accountability, it seems though you are backing them up with empty speculative claims about other people and that doesn't look like justice.

You doing okay? Justice is a big challenge some times.

The question at hand is essentially:

What can be decided about people already locked up in prison for their crimes with regard to whether or not they are people?

Well they are people in order to be people already locked up in prison. So obviously... people are people too my friends.

I thought this was meant to be the einbert crybaby thread, where fellow snowflakes commiserate with poor little einbert getting picked on by the big bad evil deplorables.

It's turned into yet another boring politics derail. Get with the program people.

P.S. The music was pretty cool though. i like music derails.

We should care because prisoners are the lowest in our society. The way we treat the lowest members of our society reflects our values as a Nation, and speaks to the rest of the world about how we view Justice. Prisoners are modern day slaves, powerless against a system of complete exploitation.


This is why we should care about prisoners:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...erica_20141228



And this is why we should be particularly concerned about black prisoners:

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/ex...onvictions.pdf

Many of the people in our prison systems cannot vote. They have no legal right to do so, so they cannot contribute in any way to affecting change in the conditions they live under. Many of these people are felons simply because of victimless crimes related to drugs. Don't you think this is unjust? Do you not see why we should care about prisoners?

You act like an animal every day you are alive, because you are an animal. How do you suggest you be treated?