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Old 05-09-2017, 03:55 PM   #226
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Re: Gender pay gap

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I searched for "gender gap maternity leave study" on Google. The first result was:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ender-pay-gap/

which is interesting, but doesn't relate to your point.

I also found this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/bu...nequality.html

which also doesn't say that women earned more prior to maternity leave. This Google search was a dead end.

I decided to Google your exact wording "women earn more than men before maternity leave." This turned up the study discussed here about the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...ge-study-finds

in which UK women in their mid to late twenties are shown to earn slightly more than men of the same age on average, before a sizable gap the emerges the other way beyond age 30. Although the authors of the study do not cite maternity leave as an explanation, this op ed on the study attributes the difference to motherhood.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors.../#b7b70463ef25
im not sure if it was a typo or a post got deleted but i was referencing post 205 in the previous post

ok now we have studies showing what i claimed they showed. now what? i said they existed. i was called a liar. now what? do you really think this is going to spawn any discussion or anyone retracting the liar comment? of course not

theres also studies showing a gender gap in higher education now. women are doing much better. let me guess..... cite? ..... im a liar? having common knowledge or you can easily google before acting like a dope? pay attention to who i was responding to and their posting habits

http://content.time.com/time/busines...015274,00.html

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Here's the slightly deflating caveat: this reverse gender gap, as it's known, applies only to unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities. The rest of working women — even those of the same age, but who are married or don't live in a major metropolitan area — are still on the less scenic side of the wage divide.

The figures come from James Chung of Reach Advisors, who has spent more than a year analyzing data from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey. He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do. This is almost the exact opposite of the graduation ratio that existed when the baby boomers entered college. Studies have consistently shown that a college degree pays off in much higher wages over a lifetime, and even in many cases for entry-level positions.
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Old 05-09-2017, 03:58 PM   #227
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Re: Gender pay gap

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The forum has a clear rule pertaining to situations such as this:

7) Citations. If posters make a claim without a citation in a Content thread and are then challenged by other posters then the initial post will not be deleted but the claim should not be repeated or defended without a credible source being provided.

i asked you two very straight forward questions. if you're going to participate, participate. if not, even better
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Old 05-09-2017, 04:09 PM   #228
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i asked you two very straight forward questions. if you're going to participate, participate. if not, even better
Lol. Juan is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:09 PM   #229
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Lol. Juan is the gift that keeps on giving.
He has definitely improved his trolling skills for mo bettah laughs.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:43 PM   #230
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Re: Gender pay gap

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im not sure if it was a typo or a post got deleted but i was referencing post 205 in the previous post

ok now we have studies showing what i claimed they showed. now what? i said they existed. i was called a liar. now what? do you really think this is going to spawn any discussion or anyone retracting the liar comment? of course not

theres also studies showing a gender gap in higher education now. women are doing much better. let me guess..... cite? ..... im a liar? having common knowledge or you can easily google before acting like a dope? pay attention to who i was responding to and their posting habits

http://content.time.com/time/busines...015274,00.html
Women getting paid more because they have better/more education is what I'd expect. No one objects to men with better/more education getting paid more than women.

BTW, you should pay ATC for doing your homework for you.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:03 PM   #231
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Re: Gender pay gap

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Let's at least understand what the Equal Pay Act in the United States mandates. The law requires companies to have equal pay by gender for equal work in similar working conditions in the same working establishment.

Here is a list of factors that allow a company to have unequal pay:
- seniority
- education
- work experience
- quality of work
- quantity of work
- work effort
- work skill
- work responsibility
- merit
- any other factor the company deems important (other than gender)
- does not apply to management employees
- does not apply to professional employees
- does not apply to administrative employees.

It should be obvious to all that the exclusions list above is highly problematic. Many of the exclusions can be used to perpetuate unequal pay. In addition, many of the exclusions are "perceptual" in nature and therefore can be used (intentionally or unintentionally) to perpetuate unequal pay.

At this point in time, the Equal Pay Act is largely a symbolic law. A very important symbolic law, but largely symbolic nonetheless.

Nobody can argue that the Equal Pay Act alone can eliminate the gender pay gap. Nobody can argue that the Equal Pay Act alone can eliminate gender pay discrimination.
Which of these exclusions would you have them eliminate, and why?
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