Society always progresses forward. We always expand rights, not restrict them, long-term. Regressive conservatism will continue to die off as the older generations do. It's been happening for quite awhile now, anyway; if I'd asked people in 1965 whether we'd have a two-term black Democratic liberal President, legalized marriage nationwide between two people of the same sex, or 18% of people identifying as atheist/non-religious, within 50 years, I'd have gotten laughed at uproariously.

Yeah? Tell that to the Turks. Or the Muslim world 1000 years ago when they were the most advanced people on the planet.

Apparently you don't understand how this whole "history" thing works. You sound incredibly naieve. Let a massive weapon go off in New York City, and watch this country turn into a Mad Max movie.

American society, Wil. That's what we're discussing.

We had a form of massive weapon go off in New York City fairly recently. You may have heard of it. We managed to fade Mad Max status.

LMAO, how much time does he ****ing need? I thought he was one of the most successful people in the ****ing history of mankind? He has shown nothing but ineptness and no signs that he's learned anything or capable of learning anything.

A "shill"? What the **** are you talking about? Trump is scamming the country out of millions of dollars while doing his best to ruin the country?

You can't name one good thing he has done and yet want to keep giving him more time to do something? Pathetic.

You are truly an idiot.

Trump is an instrument of economic class warfare being perpetrated by the rich against the middle class and poor.

Good post. Sincerely, a Bernie Sanders supporter.

I don't think it's very productive for Americans to keep focusing on the election and Trump vs Clinton. Trump is president now, and he is an absolutely unprecedented disaster, we gotta figure out how to deal with the situation we're in now. Forget Hillary Clinton, she is irrelevant.

You seem to be confused about who's clowning on who here.

You literally don't have a complete thought in your head.

It's incredible.

There's no price I could offer because you literally can't do it.

And you support one blindly as your president. "Give him some more time..." GTFO.

Dude. Like wtf would you prefer? We all quit or go kill ourselves? Jesus Christ kerowo you sound like a huge baby. Are you really going to complain like an old woman for the next 4 years? Lol.

Ball don't lie.

How bad does he have to get before it's ok to complain about him? What has he done that is worth supporting? Oh yeah, he said some thing about the middle class, but we know he lies constantly so why should I believe he cares about the middle class? Why don't you care about the rampant corruption in his administration?

I like him. I care about the stimulus and want to see if he can actually do things to help the middle class. I don't care so much for my own position.

Obama's presidency taught me a lot. I was severely disappointed with it. Things didn't get better for the middle class. Things didn't get better for blacks. Essentially that's all I really care about.

Black people are dying in the streets and poor whites get told they should be happy because of their skin color. This has to stop. No more. Your way doesn't work, it just gets worse. You people create racism and hatred, and I can see it at the street level.

Let's try something different.

wil nobody buys this obviously disingenuous ****. You made a ****ing thread about how you thought food stamps for nursing mothers were a bad idea even in your pre-redpill days.

Murder rate in 2008: 5.4
Murder rate in 2015: 4.9

What are you even ****ing talking about?

Like what? Government policy is pretty transparent, man, we know what we're doing now, and we know what the possible changes are. We know what changes Trump supports. So again, what the **** are you even talking about?

Believe what you wish. There is no talking to you people. As I've said before, I'm so glad the left doesn't treat Asians like they do blacks. All you people do is make things worse.

Thank God. I really mean that.

Lol, read his budget, he really addresses your concerns....

Are you saying I made those numbers up? Would you like to, I don't know, place a wager? Because we don't get to believe what we with about facts, wil. Well, liberals don't. That's probably the big divide here. I know what the murder rate is because I looked it up, wil FEELS what the murder rate is because he's terrified.

wil I don't doubt you mean all the **** you say. The **** you say is just real stupid and also generally morally reprehensible.

"Believe what you wish" in response to statistics is like the ultimate wil quote.

Like, Huehue (I think) posted an article in alpha the other day about a city with an increasing black population where local whites fretted about the newly "urban" nature of the city and lambasted growing crime rates.

The kicker was that the police department had to explain to everyone that crime was going downward in recent years and is now at a 10 year low. That's you and your type, wil, constantly needing basic empirical facts explained to you.

The murder rate is goddamn awful. You think because you can find a statistical move in your direction everything is magically better? I live IN Philadelphia homie. Where do you live? 300 people a year get murdered here.

As far as terrified, I'm not terrified of anything. I'm not black, and black people absolutely positively do not mess with me. That's pretty well known - they don't mess with people of other races. Anyone who actually knows black people well knows that. You saying I'm terrified is just hilarious and stupid. Lol at terrified.

Oh I do. I absolutely mean it. You people are awful. Everything​ you do just makes everything worse. Everything about the left is loltastic, and you soak it all up, running around letting everyone know how good of a person you think you are.

20 little girls got blown up in the UK last night, right? Yeah. I blame you people for that.

Everything about you and yours is just despicable and awful. You guys gotta go.

Fly's point isn't that it's not a problem that 300 people get murdered a year in Philly. His point is that in 1995 the number was 433.

I picked 1995 because it was about the peak for homocide rates in the last several decades. But the point is that the rates have been declining for a couple of decades, with the exception that there's an uptick the last 2 years, but still a rate lower than 10 years ago, which is dramatically lower than 20 years ago.

The trends are a bit of a problem for the argument that some unspecified set of liberal policies have made things worse, and to be clear I think the relationship between policy and homocide rates over the last 20 years is not clear at all. That is, I wouldn't argue that any specific policy is responsible for the decline.

No one cares who you blame for anything Wil, you're pathetic.

Yes, it's now just awful instead of incredibly awful.

The statistics of violence suffered by blacks is jaw dropping. We all know this. To talk about it getting better is almost comical.

Yes, I agree that linking policy is difficult. I now firmly believe there's only 1 way to fix it, and it'll take forever to do it. Lower the single motherhood rate by decreasing welfare programs. That is unacceptable to the left, so nothing will ever get better.

I used to think we could find a way. Now I do not. I firmly believe leftists policies hinder and destroy people, doing exactly the opposite of what they are intended to do. I also don't think we can change it politically.

To put it mildly - we are ****ed.

It'll come full circle. There's a growing anger and hatred towards your side. You don't see it? You don't feel it?

When 2outs says conservatives will be gone in 20 years, I would argue it's more likely going to be the opposite.

Maybe I'm wrong. We shall see. The whole thing is fascinating to watch, it's just a shame so many lives are at stake. In the end, I'll be fine, but I'm interested in seeing how it all plays out.