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Ah, yes well please do not feel stupid on my account. I have already learned things from this thread and haters gonna hate even though hating is futile in the long run.

12-29-2014 , 01:28 AM

#202

The REAL Trolly

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Originally Posted by TheGoodman

You mean that Hitler-style positive eugenics blonde hair blue eyes nonsense?

No, I mean your constant assertion that political views and views on racism are somehow a product of biological evolution. Honestly, for someone with a tier-one education, this is a pretty big blind spot. Like I said, the rest of educated society figured out this social Darwinism thing was bull**** ages ago.

12-29-2014 , 01:51 AM

#203

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

I'd like to have a civil discussion about what people think is and isn't racist...[/spoil]

Yeah, I haven't read any of this thread but I was reminded of my crusade back when I was a mod against use of the "wigger" as it's always struck me as this comically transparent way of saying "n----r lover".

In a similar vein, I think all uses of "libtard" and "leftie" should be auto-replaced with "n----r lover" as I think that would clear up a lot.

p.s. this was back when Chad Batista was talked about a bunch in BBV http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=75331

12-29-2014 , 02:10 AM

#204

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lol TheGoodman can't be a real person

12-29-2014 , 02:29 AM

#205

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Originally Posted by 5ive

I agree with the first one, the next two are a stretch. Anyway, any conversation devolving into use of those slurs probably isn't worth having.

12-29-2014 , 02:33 AM

#206

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Yeah, I haven't read any of this thread

Me neither!!!

That is why I am typing at it!!!

12-29-2014 , 02:54 AM

#207

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

Me neither!!!

That is why I am typing at it!!!

I'm gonna need this joke explained to me like I'm a 5-year-old.

12-29-2014 , 03:17 AM

#208

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Originally Posted by 5ive

I'm gonna need this joke explained to me like I'm a 5-year-old.

Wow. That sucks. Hopefully someone will come along and help you out.

12-29-2014 , 03:32 AM

#209

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

Wow. That sucks. Hopefully someone will come along and help you out.

Well, it's your joke.

p.s. lol ur so unchained bro

p.p.s. wait are you drunk?

12-29-2014 , 04:40 AM

#210

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Well, it's your joke.

p.s. lol ur so unchained bro

p.p.s. wait are you drunk?

p.p.p.s. Years back in BBV there was this poster that would send PMs saying "eat a bowl of dicks" whenever he was disagreed with in the slightest. Your mini-attack on me just now might be even more bizarre than that. I'm truly fascinated. Unless a person grunching a thread offends you to your very marrow, in which case point taken, my apologies for upsetting you.

12-29-2014 , 10:38 AM

#211

AlexM

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Originally Posted by zikzak

Most of the people who get called racist aren't interested in having a conversation. In fact, most of the time most posters aren't interested in having a conversation, about anything. There are forums and threads that are an exception (like this one), but in general - and in fast moving threadzillas in particular - people aren't talking to individual people, they are talking to the entire forum. The kinds of conversations you want are neither possible nor appropriate in those situations.

You're complaining about the style, but your real problem is the venue. This is the nature of an internet forum with moderate to heavy traffic. Insults, jeering, gossip and trolling have been 100% standard since the beginning of the internet. It's never going to change. There actually is a conversation of sorts that happens, and it can be pretty fascinating at times if you know what to look for. But you don't see it because you want the forum to be the sort of place it never can be.

The 2+2 politics forum is about as civil as it gets for the topic and traffic level, and despite my occasional snark to the contrary, I have consistently been pleasantly surprised by the quality of what comes from it. You just have to accept it for what it is and take the value you can from it.

This is entirely untrue. It simply depends on the moderation. If you make that stuff against the rules and actually enforce the rules, you can do away with most of it. 2+2 politics used to be more civil than it is now, and there are plenty of places more civil currently. Most places that are moderated at all in fact.

12-29-2014 , 11:05 AM

#212

LetsGambool

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Alex, calling you out for your civil war views and links to white supremacy sites are not personal attacks that need moderator attention. Hope this helps.

12-29-2014 , 11:13 AM

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Yeah, the forum was way more civil when the ACists would derail every single thread and dogpile people for supporting radical ideas like a social safety net.

12-29-2014 , 11:22 AM

#214

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

It's really important for racists to believe the myth that businesses are maximally meritocratic and would stamp out any racism despite centuries of evidence contrary. That way they can look at the status quo and conclude that any disparity between blacks and whites is due to the inherent inferiority of blacks, and that preferentially hiring whites isn't racist, it's just good business.

This would be a personal attack.

12-29-2014 , 11:24 AM

#215

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lol

12-29-2014 , 11:27 AM

#216

AlexM

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Originally Posted by 5ive

lol TheGoodman can't be a real person

Why? His posting is way more rational (albeit flawed) than someone who says:

Quote:

I think all uses of "libtard" and "leftie" should be auto-replaced with "n----r lover" as I think that would clear up a lot.

12-29-2014 , 11:29 AM

#217

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Originally Posted by zikzak

Yeah, the forum was way more civil when the ACists would derail every single thread and dogpile people for supporting radical ideas like a social safety net.

Ignoring your hyperbole... Yes, it was. AINEC.

12-29-2014 , 11:30 AM

#218

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by AlexM

Why? His posting is way more rational (albeit flawed) than someone who says:

Internally consistent yet standing in direct opposition to readily available empirical data = rational?

12-29-2014 , 11:34 AM

#219

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Originally Posted by AlexM

Ignoring your hyperbole... Yes, it was. AINEC.

Were you and pvn and LirvA being civil when you would very intentionally troll and trainwreck any topic MissileDog was posting about?

12-29-2014 , 11:36 AM

#220

LetsGambool

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Wait, so describing how racists think is now a personal attack? Lol

12-29-2014 , 11:37 AM

#221

AlexM

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Originally Posted by zikzak

lol

Are you disagreeing with me? It's pretty blatant. It's exactly the sort of personal attack disguised as a general statement that's been talked about in this thread as the main problem with Politics. The entire purpose is to call the one person expressing that view a racist while using the logical deduction so obviously flawed that a fifth grader could spot it*.

* People named Bill have names that start with B, therefore all people with names that start with B must be named Bill.

12-29-2014 , 11:46 AM

#222

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Originally Posted by zikzak

Were you and pvn and LirvA being civil when you would very intentionally troll and trainwreck any topic MissileDog was posting about?

I've never done that. Lirva didn't even show up around here until most of the ACists were gone, but every conversation I've seen him engage MD in, MD was clearly the one trolling. Pvn's trolling level hasn't really changed at all.

Also, the period I'm talking about was before those exchanges anyway.

12-29-2014 , 11:46 AM

#223

LetsGambool

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Lol

12-29-2014 , 11:56 AM

#224

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Originally Posted by AlexM

You frequently did the exact same thing you're doing now - derailing the thread so you can air your personal, years-old petty grievances.

You are also, amusingly, proving my exact point in the post you quoted to get this snowball rolling.