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Old 04-27-2017, 12:11 AM   #201
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You get what? That I'm not a child?
That you're not a fan of the NFL draft...Duh!
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Old 04-27-2017, 12:14 AM   #202
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If they break the law they should be punished, but i see nothing wrong with them protesting for something they believe in. America!!


Im not a part of any people afaik. I know that is part of the stick. Anyone who disagrees is they and protest = riot.


Like i said you should move your flat somewhere that makes you more happy. There are all kinds of places which dont allow the right to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I live in a nice neighborhood so I don't interact with these people. I have no reason to leave.
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Old 04-27-2017, 12:16 AM   #203
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Sure you do. You dont like free speech and want to use violence to oppress it. There are places out there that fit the bill.
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Old 04-27-2017, 01:40 AM   #204
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Oldie for all the chicken lovers
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Old 04-27-2017, 11:01 AM   #205
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You're mistaken if you think I don't consider the downsides of restricting free speech as well as the upsides, I have reached a view over several decades that I believe minimises the harm overall. You may believe you are right and I am wrong, you may even be correct but the error is not because I'm trying to be agreeable.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'being empathetic isn't a virtue'. It's part of being human and if I didn't have empathy then I wouldn't give a **** about most of politics. I dare say it's the same for you - these issues don't affect us enough to be so bothered by them otherwise.
Trait agreeableness is one of the 5 basic personality traits. Women typically are higher than men in agreeableness but not always. Studies show that peoples temperament generally align with their political views. Male SJW types on the far left are high in trait agreeableness. Agreeableness is neither good nor bad. It should be in balance though. for example people low in trait agreeableness have trouble working with others and end up in jail more often. Agreeableness is related to maternal instincts and high agreeableness is much more common in women. Empathy is related to agreeableness and is important for raising infants and children.

It can and has increasingly become a problem with people who are no longer a child being coddled like children. These adult/children that have been coddled and are high in empathy is what produced the safe space generation. a large contribution to this extremely coddled and empathetic generation is the fact that women in the west are having less children and at an older age. The difference between having 4 kids by 30 years old and having 1 child at 35 is that the latter is the most precious of snowflakes. The attention and investment in this single child is completely different than a younger mom with more kids

People usually don’t understand empathy. It is very beneficial to caring for infants and therefore usually more prominent in women/mothers. In order to empathize with your child you must actually value it more than random children or random things/animals. That’s obviously important. But also think of it this way, when you are hiking in the woods and accidentally walk between a mother bear and her cub, its her empathy for the cub that she values more than you that will result in her ripping you to pieces. male bears eat their own cubs

Anyways this whole maternal behavior is built in to personality and of course your political views. in your case, clearly how you moderate the forum. You have vulnerable groups that get special treatment built in to the rules. Its maternal. This is why people scratch their head at the complete double standard with feminists and the openly sexist cultures that they defend and want to import. They see these poor people suffering and they want to help. That maternal instinct takes over any value judgement, just like a mom doesn’t make a value judgement to see if a baby is justified when it cries, they just sympathize

In regards to Antifa, yes this is more far left agreeableness getting totally out of balance. They have their vulnerable groups to protect just like a mother bear. The men on the far left high in agreeableness display this also. People traditionally refer to these types as beta males. Here's a funny anecdote in addition to the bike lock coward slithering in and out of the crowd to smash some unsuspecting dudes head open

This is a guy that pretended he was Antifa at berkley

1:30 -3:10

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Old 04-27-2017, 12:26 PM   #206
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You would think with all their agreeableness they would be less disagreeable.
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Old 04-27-2017, 12:29 PM   #207
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stop embarrassing yourself

empathy isn't a virtue. people need to be balanced
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Old 04-27-2017, 12:41 PM   #208
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You seem very concerned (empathetic) about my reputation and me making a fool of myself when i could give two ****s about either. Its odd and weird.
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Old 04-27-2017, 12:45 PM   #209
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We needed a super ****ty Freud in here, so I'm feeling agreeable.
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:32 PM   #210
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I fear a semantic quagmire if we go there but a quick read of his article in the guardian suggests it's irrelevant to this discussion. He makes the mistake of thinking we will account for the emphatic feelings in a highly irrational way when forming political views - sure many will but they are going to be highly irrational whichever way they go.
Yeah, I'd imagine it would be more relevant to one of the SJW/ASJ threads. It also doesn't seem to be the direction Juan was taking it.

There is an argument against your take (you're right here too, it's largely semantic) but I'll hold back so that this thread can back on track.
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Old 04-27-2017, 04:52 PM   #211
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lol juan with that glorious gibberish
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Old 04-27-2017, 05:16 PM   #212
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Giving a **** about the NFL draft is stupid.


You take that back
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Old 04-27-2017, 05:32 PM   #213
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lol juan with that glorious gibberish
He's proven that bears have empathy. Ground breaking stuff.
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Old 04-27-2017, 06:11 PM   #214
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If Juan was like a cousin of mike cernovich it wouldn't shock me.

Mongi, just like when thousands jumped over here during Vietnam, Canada, inconsequential as you think we are will accept people who believe in free speech, unlike you.

We won't accept people who think Ann Coulter are attractive though.
Here's some fapping material for you though.

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Old 04-27-2017, 08:48 PM   #215
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:03 AM   #216
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Trait agreeableness is one of the 5 basic personality traits. Women typically are higher than men in agreeableness but not always. Studies show that peoples temperament generally align with their political views. Male SJW types on the far left are high in trait agreeableness.
That's interesting but highly dubious coming from you. Where are you getting that from? I know a few Marxists. All we do is argue about ****.

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Agreeableness is neither good nor bad.
Is that so? Prove it.

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It should be in balance though. for example people low in trait agreeableness have trouble working with others and end up in jail more often. Agreeableness is related to maternal instincts and high agreeableness is much more common in women. Empathy is related to agreeableness and is important for raising infants and children.
I feel like you are trying to smear leftists as weak and not manly. I think that idea has some currency in popular culture. However, it always seems that in reality it's the extreme right wingers who you find out like to dress up like women or go toe tapping in men's bathrooms.

Mothers can be very violent when their children are threatened. You see that in nature all the time. So you could, using the same bloviation, say that violence is maternal. I'm trying to show you how, without a solid empirical basis, you can make literally any claim.

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It can and has increasingly become a problem with people who are no longer a child being coddled like children. These adult/children that have been coddled and are high in empathy is what produced the safe space generation.
Actually this younger generation is lower in empathy. But let me know your source we can have a citation battle. And what do you think coddling has to do with promoting empathy?

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People usually don’t understand empathy.
But you know who really doesn't understand empathy?

Animals.

We cooperate with each other. We extend our empathy for other humans beyond our immediately family. Empathy is why we don't live like animals, ultimately the only reason we don't live like animals.
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Old 04-28-2017, 09:27 AM   #217
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When people protest "free speech" shoulder to shoulder with someone like him the company you keep rule comes into effect. Its one thing thing to say he should have a right to say what he wants its another to march side by side with white supremacists.
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Old 04-28-2017, 10:29 AM   #218
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How come people don't protest Japan for being racist?

How is it not possible to support free speech and want an all white state?
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Old 04-28-2017, 10:56 AM   #219
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How is it not possible to support free speech and want an all white state?
Because you have to suspend the rights of the non-whites that are in your country and forcibly remove them.

You've got to have a lot of trait stupidity (one of the seven main traits of the right wing) to not figure that out.
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:15 PM   #220
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Can someone explain to me why I should care about this random idiot's distorted view of the world?
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:22 PM   #221
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Because it exposes the lie that certain right wingers are all about the freedom of speech.

Mongi went for it hook, line, and sinker.
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Old 04-28-2017, 01:26 PM   #222
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How is it not possible to support free speech and want an all white state?
This is one of the dumbest questions ever asked on this forum.
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:29 AM   #223
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No breach of free speech if they're forced to go quietly, I guess.
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Old 04-29-2017, 11:18 AM   #224
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Typical Trumpkin at Transylvania University in Kentucky attacks other students with a machete because he thinks they shouldn't be free to criticize his political views.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcne...achete-n752731
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Old 04-29-2017, 11:24 AM   #225
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How come people don't protest Japan for being racist?
It's unlikely anyone is going to like this answer. WWII is obviously the event which most influenced modern thinking on racism, in particular the Holocaust, but also the ideology articulated by the Nazis which clearly had a broader application than just the Jews.

But there was a parallel mass ethnicity/nationality destruction project being executed by Japan at the time which was every bit as brutal. You can read about this in wikipedia or wherever. It's no secret, but it has received almost no attention relative to the Holocaust. Why it's been pretty much ignored by the mass media here is a difficult question to answer. By all rights there should have been a Nuremberg style reckoning for the Japanese leaders after WWII. There wasn't. Our government protected those butchers for reasons which are debated. There are also implications there as for why the North/South Korea situation played out as it did, so it's an interesting topic but a little advanced. Anyway the short answer is Japan came out smelling OK after the WWII due to efforts of the U.S. government and it's propaganda. We don't associate them with a history of racism or ethnic cleansing as we should. And so we don't look at them through the same lens as we do Western countries.

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How is it not possible to support free speech and want an all white state?
Two points here. One is that an all white state means conversion of the state to all white. That means an abridgement of rights even more fundamental than free speech and which make free speech possible, and so it represents an instant contradiction.

Second point is that when right wing racists say they want free speech what they actually mean is that they want a safe space to advance racial hatred. They want to be "free" from the critical free speech of others. Like they want to be able to say "black people suck" and "jews are evil" in public without losing their jobs. So when they say free speech they mean an abridgement of the speech of those who don't agree with them. They keep putting it that way because the difference between what they mean by free speech and actual free speech is too subtle to be understood by people like you.
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