It's the same with Muslims lately- you have some obvious whackjobs doing crazy **** and the rest of them wear the label. I don't know to what degree it's tacit support/happiness that somebody is doing Allah's work and to what degree it's just so disincentivized to call out members of the tribe even if you think they're using horrible tactics, but whatever the reason, they had some agency over wearing the label and didn't use it.

It's largely the same with the moderate left AFAICT- there aren't zero high-profile voices, but there aren't that many and they seem weighted towards ones like Obama and Bernie who don't have to worry about elections anymore. Has any up and comer or politician on a viable POTUS path clearly called it out? The label may not fit them all that well, but they're basically choosing to wear it without putting up a fight.

Still seems like your point is there are famous people on twitter with more followers than her. QED.

Which of those twitterers you mentioned declare themselves feminists, anti-racists, or some other form of social justice advocate?

Jeremy Corbyn, with 1.39 million, seems to be some way behind Jeremy Clarkson, with 6.75 million.

Who cares? They're all people (once you get to the bottom of the scale) that nobody gives a **** about and wield ~no influence on politics today. Sarsour can rise from her current follower count (which you cited as evidence of...something) and graduate to the ranks of the "famous" (lol) like...Jonah Goldberg, or James O'Keefe, super powerful people on the verge of movement takeovers clearly.

ALL OF THEM, JUST IN CASE SO WE DON'T LEAVE ANY OUT. ANTI-WOMEN, RACISTS AND THE SOCIALLY UNJUST PEOPLE WILL JUST HAVE TO STAND OUT.

Again, I think you're completely missing the point. And you still haven't actually provided any evidence. I believe you're probably right, but jeez, can you not see how even if you had evidence it would still go down pretty poorly with a lot of white folks?

And yes, of course I did just that, I browsed the BLM videos on YouTube. I can't find any positive ones. It could be that Youtube just represents a very unrepresentative slice of the world, but it's not an insignificant one at all. And it looks like at least on that medium, identity politics = tribalism to the detriment of marginalized minorities.

Nobody give a heck about them. Hmmm... then I guess you'll say the same about identarians like Richard Spencer, right? He's only got 66K followers, btw. Surely he has no influence either, so you'll stop talking about the alt-right boogiemen soon too?

Make quality matters along with quantity great immediately.

Yes! Richard Spencer (though you could have also gone with Mike Cernovich, a relative nobody I heard about on Chapo Trap House who also has more than Sarsour at 300k) is not someone on the verge of taking over anything on the right, dumb****, and regarding this:

When have I ever spent time on this forum talking about that?

Okay, well, I don't follow your posts, but there is panic on the streets about the alt right. Did you hear they're in the White House? We're getting well beyond the original point though, that Well Named is a very smart and well read scholar, but he doesn't seem to do a whole lot of getting out into social media world to see what the buzz is all about. I'm a novice myself, but I hear it's pretty big with the kids these days. Feel free to argue that social media buzz has little effect on our public discourse, our politics and elections.

Here's another tidbit for you, Lacy Green, one of the biggest feminists on Youtube, with 1.5MM subs, has started sleeping with the enemy, lol, actually it's true, besides hanging out with and deciding to host discussions with some of her previous "anti-social justice" nemesis (nemisi?), she is now dating one too, lol. No worries, the kids will figure this out for us.

It shows in how you try to talk about it and base arguments on it.

I'm not sure about UK politics, but isn't Corbyn that guy who's tanking Labour's chances of winning another election this century? Who's the other guy?

Example chucking. What's it prove?

Did you use an incognito browser?

No; the June election was widely seen as a shocking success for Labour.

Based on your previous uses of the phrase, asking a question like this only to then discover that your supposed answer was wrong is getting "slapped down", yeah?

FWIW, I think plenty of the posters on this forum like you, Wookie, Fly (all various degrees of woke and excited) are also participating heavily in the same sort of rhetoric and attitude that help divide this country in to tribes. I don't expect you to accept it, because you're ensconced in it. You love your squeaky clean bubble and will soon go back to crowing in it. You're so certain you're pure and right and I'm an evil liar, out to protect my white privilege! Am I getting warm?

I don't expect to convince you of literally anything here, just like I don't expect those who participate in the comments section on that White Lives Matter video, or various sub reddits devoted to Trump or right wing identity politics to understand why tribalism is wrong and I'm not a stupid Obamer loving cuck. Hopefully this will all play out organically and people come to their senses eventually.

Brave face calling a loss a win there, but sure, maybe he'll win someday. Sort of reminds me of Bernie, but I assume he's a real socialist.

No, but I just did. Same result. You getting different results?

Edit: when I try Black Lives Matter (instead of BLM), I get a couple positive videos (I assume). One TED talk and one from the Young Turks. Most are still very negative though.

Not in the slightest. I try to argue as well as I can but I don't have any illusions about me being "pure" or objectively "right". What's really amusing is that you clearly do, and don't see in any way how you're the same as us, just on a different side!

(you are correct about one thing, though - you are a habitual liar)

Consider yourself SLAPPED

Yet, we still have no idea who is really in charge of those dang college kids? They can say whatever they want dontcha know.

Oh, well it's good to see we're not so different.

Yea I know you did. The question is how did I know that? That, in spite of you claiming that Well Named was the cloistered one, you were either extremely gullible or just lazy in providing the evidence?

I don't really know what you're claiming here, or what point you think you're refuting. It makes no difference that I just did a quick search. It makes no difference to my overall point on identity politics --> tribalism if the video is legit or not, and btw, you still have provided zero evidence that it isn't.

On that note, it disappoints me how little evidence (zero) is apparently required for you (and Well Named) to believe it isn't a student legitimately arguing that white kid's lives are worth less than black lives. Think about the absolute appeal to tribalism it takes to be so skeptical of the other tribe and have zero skepticism for your own. Well Named refused to even watch the video.

I'm assuming none of you watched any of the videos of Evergreen students apparently holding administrators hostage, and all sorts of other behavior that makes them look like they've joined some sort of cult? If so, is this simply because they are posted by your perceived political opponents?

Hey, Foldn, remember that advice I gave you about not just throwing out a bunch of really **** examples hoping that quantity would win out?

I might have been on to something.